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How Many Years…

Three years was generally enough in the '60s.. 70 to perhaps 90 episodes for most. THE HONEYMOONERS was a very special case they would have been insane NOT to syndicate, 39 or no.
I actually agree with that, but it also blows a bit of a hole in the "magic 100 episodes" we keep hearing about.

But these guys were still rerun often in the NY Metro Market

The Ghost and Mrs. Muir (50)
The Munsters (70)
The Addams Family (64)
F-Troop (65)
Please Don't Eat the Daisies (58)
Nanny and the Professor (54)

Just two seasons each.
 
GR was quoted in the Solow/Justman book as saying (paraphrased) “This 3rd year is going to be the best ever and Star Trek will go on forever.” That’s before GR and TOS parted ways.

I might have that book. Never read it... a good friend gave me a copy of it for Xmas, and my (censored) ex used it unceremoniously like a coaster, all while otherwise griping about certain Futurama episodes unironically. But I'm not bitter, I only digress. :angel:

Well, it didn’t quite come to fruition, but if TOS did survive Freiberger, the time slot, etc. how many years do you think it would have survived in the wild world of network television?

Another 1 or 2 for sure. Especially if there was enough room to bypass "the planet earth parallel trick" and increased number of bottle ships... Now, I dig stories where the ship's innards are explored, but... every single week? It'd get harder to find a way to involve the ship that remained authentic and not gimmicky or overused. But once in a while, heck yeah! You know fans want it! :D

Syndication, which the show miraculously got, had been wildly popular compared to the original run - either people were looking back, never heard of it, word of mouth, and/or ratings tabulations changed and found that, oops, the audiences were there all along... a few reruns would be inevitable as stations needed something other than new shows and all those old film cans were laying around and stuff...

Freiberger's season isn't all that bad. Some episodes did caricaturize Kirk more than before, noting that season 2 already was going down that path as well, and considering I remember Kirk's "Fizzbin" and "U Plebneesta" speeches more than most of season 3's damp sponge stuff as being superficial and sub-par... and elements of "Omega" are genuinely great...

Without the Friday timeslot, which is where the likely audience was more likely at what is coyly referred to as "Lovers' Lane™" it probably would have continued more easily... but as the show was facing the ax after season 1 and the timeslot move was already in place for season 2, it's no wonder Gene was getting frustrated... Indeed, season 3 was originally going to be put on Mondays thanks in part to the write-in campaign, until Laugh-In's creator got upset as that show would have to be moved...

A shame that the show ended without the 80th episode being filmed. William Shatner was apparently slated to direct it (he would do episodes of TJ Hooker, Star Trek V, and others, of course), but TOS as directed by Shatner in 1969 would have been cool. STV has a feel that fits in with TOS and is arguably underrated, but he nailed the tone - even if it was different to what moviegoers were expecting. I liked V at the time, others loathed it. It's not perfect, but take away the extreme silliness in some scenes (thank IV for the need for that) and there's more that's certainly worthy...

Considering that thousands of shows don’t even make the airwaves or they get cancelled very quickly, I’m guessing that TOS would have barely made their 5 year mission before the Enterprise was decommissioned.

^^this. It would have ended, without a proper finale (which was generally unheard of at the time anyhow), after the 4- or 5-year mark.

Most shows in the 60s ended after the second year or so, regardless of how popular and/or well-crafted they were. Only "The Beverly Hillbillies" and a handful of others did more, and even by 1969, "Hillbillies" was losing steam...
 
^^this. It would have ended, without a proper finale (which was generally unheard of at the time anyhow), after the 4- or 5-year mark.
Yep it just would have stopped. Unlike in our reality, where the writing was on the wall, I could see the Network just deciding enough was enough. Like Mannix, the final episode would have been one that wasn't even filmed last, just one more adventure. Maybe a good one, maybe not.

Imagine the cast at the end of 5 or 7 years. Shatner's struggle to maintain his weight...how would the 70's would have impacted their hair styles? Shatner's was already getting unruly in the latter 3rd season. Would Nimoy have even stuck around much longer?

In between 1970 and 78, US TV special effects were generally terrible and even shows like Battlestar Galactica and the British Space: 1999 had more money for model work. Would Star Trek still have looked good? It would have been cancelled long before the sci-fi boom brought on my Star Wars.

Maybe just going 5 years would have been enough.
 
Would Nimoy have even stuck around much longer?

Nimoy, in the 'Mission: Impossible Dossier' says that he had already let it be known to Roddenberry and Freiberger that he wouldn't be returning as Spock if there was a fourth season. He had grown dissatisfied with the show's quality and the handling of Spock's characterization during the third season. He had already vacated his Paramount office and was leaving the lot, planning on never to return, when he was approached by 'M:I' Executive Producer Bruce Geller and Producer Stanley Kallis about auditioning for the role of Paris, replacing his friend Martin Landau.
Therefore, I think we can conclude that there would have been no Spock if there had been a fourth season of Star Trek.​
 
I actually agree with that, but it also blows a bit of a hole in the "magic 100 episodes" we keep hearing about

Rules and standards change over time. Is it possible that the 100 episode requirement is real but came about sometime after the shows that have been cited?
 
Nimoy, in the 'Mission: Impossible Dossier' says that he had already let it be known to Roddenberry and Freiberger that he wouldn't be returning as Spock if there was a fourth season. He had grown dissatisfied with the show's quality and the handling of Spock's characterization during the third season. He had already vacated his Paramount office and was leaving the lot, planning on never to return, when he was approached by 'M:I' Executive Producer Bruce Geller and Producer Stanley Kallis about auditioning for the role of Paris, replacing his friend Martin Landau.
Therefore, I think we can conclude that there would have been no Spock if there had been a fourth season of Star Trek.​

"I won't be returning as Spock" is the kind of thing you say when you want more leverage for money, and for clout over the writing. But when Star Trek was canceled, he jumped at a spot on Mission: Impossible. And he can say what he wants about M:I sounding like a wonderful challenge, blah blah blah... we all know he wanted steady work on a network show. Mission: Impossible was not artistic, and not an actor's show. Didn't Bruce Geller demand that actors play it flat and without affect, all the time?

I think Nimoy would absolutely have returned as Spock for Year 4, after the requisite wrangling over money and perks.
 
Rules and standards change over time. Is it possible that the 100 episode requirement is real but came about sometime after the shows that have been cited?
Well it comes up in context with Star Trek, which ended after F-Troop, The Munsters, The Addams Family and Please Don't Eat the Daisies.

I think the syndication boom in general pretty much put that belief to rest.

I also feel that had Trek been in a place where a 4th season was assured, Roddenberry would have been at the helm without Freiberger. Nimoy would have probably stayed.
 
I also feel that had Trek been in a place where a 4th season was assured, Roddenberry would have been at the helm without Freiberger.

I know there are various opinions about Freiberger’s influence on S3, but I sure as Hell would have been happy as a pig in mud to see GR return to TOS, even if the S4 was the last.
 
I know there are various opinions about Freiberger’s influence on S3, but I sure as Hell would have been happy as a pig in mud to see GR return to TOS, even if the S4 was the last.
In this alternate reality, Roddenberry didn't like the direction the show was taking, came back, talked Justman into sticking it out and got Fontana to do another couple of scripts. NBC still dropped it but ABC took the show for a 4th season, they were used to headstrong producers (Irwin Allen, Quinn Martin, etc.) and let Gene run with it provided he kept the budget realistic and didn't insist on nudity. They gave it a much better time slot - since they really knew how to schedule this kind of show - and BOOM. Ratings went up. Freiberger went on to other things and Justman was promoted.

Three more seasons of Star Trek with some solid stories resulted (Rod Serling even did one), but Then Came Bronson never got past the TV movie stage, much to Herb Solow's disappointment. Ah well...
 
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