How many torpedoes were fired?

[F. King Daniel]

From "The Cloud"....

CHAKOTAY: We have a compliment of 38 photon torpedoes at our disposal, Captain.

JANEWAY: And no way to replace them after they're gone.

This line's quickly forgotten, and Voyager inexplicably continues on with infinite torpedoes to go along with their infinite shuttles (and more than 150 extras playing background crew throughout the series)

But did anyone ever actually count how many photon torpedoes Voyager fires throughout the show? I'm doing a mashup video and I'd love to be able to put the actual amount fired after a clip from "The Cloud"

 

[Mage]

This line's quickly forgotten

No it's not. This topic has been covered on many occasions actually.
And I think the total number of torpedoes fired was somewhere in the 90's I believe, and no reason was ever given on how they were replaced.
Although in the Destiny-trilogy there was a mentioning about the torpedo-manufactering abourd the E-E. Perhaps Voyager's crew decided to start making torpedoes?

 

[Mage]

From Ex Astris Scientia:

[FONT=Arial]Number of photon torpedoes [/FONT][FONT=Arial]The original complement must have been 40, two of which have been used to destroy the Caretaker Array, armed with tricobalt warheads. This leaves the 38 torpedoes that Tuvok counts in "The Cloud". He states that they can't be replaced. Nevertheless, the number of torpedoes used in the following exceeds 38 by far, even if we take into account only those which were seen or explicitly mentioned as being fired. The resulting lower limit is 93 torpedoes. The only explanation is that the crew has found a way to replicate more torpedoes. Considering that a torpedo should be much less complex than a shuttle or even the Delta Flyer, this is only plausible. The only problem is Tuvok's premature pessimism.[/FONT]

 

[F. King Daniel]

^Thanks! Much appreciated

And I mean forgotten by the Voyager writers - certainly not the fans!

 

[Mage]

^Thanks! Much appreciated

And I mean forgotten by the Voyager writers - certainly not the fans!

Ah, I misunderstood. I stand corrected.

 

[The Dominion]

You see, limiting their resources might have led to interesting and complex plots in order for the crew to find alternatives. It would have taken care and work to write, and it would be straying away from the Reset Button. So clearly, you can understand why the writers didn't want to do that.

 

[T'Girl]

JANEWAY: And no way to replace them after they're gone.

Well, the ship was only several week away from being brought into the Delta Quad which badly damaged it, and was run very low on energy reserves. So perhaps Janeway meant under the current circumstances.

 

[Admiral Shran]

By the end of the series, 96 torpedoes were fired.

TheGodBen counted them during his review thread a while back.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

This line's quickly forgotten

No it's not.

He obviously meant the Voyager writing staff, not the fans. Reading comprehension much?

As I remember, the torpedoes surpassed 38 during "Night" when the crew were firing the torpedoes willy nilly - the very first episode of the Voyager era when Braga took full control hmm - -

 

[tighr]

Ex Astris Scientia counts 93.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/inconsistencies-voy.htm

They also counted Shuttles, with a minimum of 10 definitely gone.

The biggest error, in my opinion, is the size of their shuttlebay(s). In the episode Drive, we see a ship much larger than the Delta Flyer in what appears to be a hanger, which shouldn't even exist on Voyager.

 

[Destructor]

Well, they did run into quite a few 'friendly' societies at certain points and seemed to engage in trade, so assuming torpedoes can't be replicated (as Janeway's statement seemed to indicate) it is certainly possible that they simply traded for some more (or purchased whatever ingredient it is in a torpedo that can't be replicated- presumably anti-matter or some such). Probably the arms dealers they meet in 'Retrospect' gave them a crapload of boom-booms (prior to 'Night', so the numbers work out). They also conducted salvage operations from time to time- borg graveyard, anyone? Maybe the borg themselves gave them additional torpedoes during the events of Scorpion?

What is interesting to me is the 'independent crew members sited' number that is in the ex astra site- very interesting! I've always wondered. Are there really over 150 named characters in the VOY canon? Would love to see where this is chronicled if anyone has a link (I've often thought of trying to do it myself!)

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Yeah, I had thought of that m'self.

I just thought maybe they had some torpedoes manufactured by a couple of the friendlier civilizations they ran into, in exchange for something else (warp plasma, 7 of 9 nudie pics, supplies, spare parts, Neelix nudie pics, etc.)

 

[KNH]

Neelix nudie pics, etc.)

I'll gladly donate 93 torpedoes to be spared those...

 

[Mage]

This line's quickly forgotten

No it's not.

He obviously meant the Voyager writing staff, not the fans. Reading comprehension much?
-

Dude, I already stood corrected for it. Relaxe a little.

 

[Timo]

It wouldn't make any sense that "torpedoes can't be replaced, period". After all, Starfleet can replace them easily enough.

Individual starships may not be capable of manufacturing their own torpedoes, though. Both Voyager and Defiant have suffered from a torpedo shortage at one point or another, and even the mighty Enterprise-E, with supposedly impressive manufacturing capabilities, could run into an acute torpedo shortage such as in ST:NEM. And torpedo warheads were considered to be items worth stealing by the Maquis in "Tribunal", even though the Maquis possessed some industrial capacity themselves.

However, somebody manufactures these things somewhere, somehow. All our VOY heroes would need to do is find a corresponding somebody else, with like manufacturing abilities, and give him the specs. They couldn't do that in "The Cloud", surrounded by their primitive enemies and by other cultures that were no match for said enemies and thus of no help, but they could do it at basically any point after "Basics" where they left Kazon territory behind them.

Really, while the idea of a "ragtag fleet of one" has some dramatic appeal, it has no logic to it. Janeway would be flying from port to port, meeting assorted advanced cultures, and not all of them could be hostile and/or primitive - surely she would not be left wanting!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Guy Gardener]

93?

Wussies.

They had a cargo bay full of nothing but lola roots.

How many times did they run out of torpedoes?

I mean did they just get up to 40 in storage and say "That's enough, that'll gett'er done."

Did they run out in Night?

 

[Sandoval]

He obviously meant the Voyager writing staff, not the fans. Reading comprehension much?

It's a little rich to criticise someone else's reading and writing skills by using a statement with the rather dubious grammatical merits of 'reading comprehension much' isn't it?

 

[DeepSpaceWine]

The logical assumption is Voyager developed the technological expertise and the necessary equipment to fabricate torpedoes during the series.

It would have been nice though for there to have been a small scene, say Tuvok & Janeway walking down a corridor, where he says they finally got photon torpedo production up and running and they can manufacture a small batch at a time.

A cargo bay full of Iola roots? Maybe iola roots are one of the ingredients in Voyager's improv photon torpedoes, and maybe they are used to build shuttles too.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Consider the difference between some shmuck selling meth out of a bum bag and a methlab?

If Kathryn wanted to start building torpedoes, it's not just the raw materials and a special sort of replicator and some tools for handling something really explosivy... They would need a space that was large enough but could be jetisoned in the case of an accident but not so close to anything vital that if an explosion took place as volitile as 40 torpedo strikes...

It's too dangerous with people constantly shooting at voyager to carry all those materials in one place. It would be like a critical hit, the same as that vent on the death star trench.

Really.

In all likely hood, they would have to stop. Build a small camp on a moon, mine and refine what they needed while Voyager waited at a safe distance as they put together all the bits and pieces.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

A show shouldn't really make us fill in these gaps ourselves.
We never saw them buy weapons once. An the torpedos they were using throughout the show WERE starfleet torpedoes and not alien torpedoes.