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How many Constitution Class ships did Kirk serve on ?
How many Constitution Class ships did Jim Kirk serve on ?
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While it was never referred to as Constitution Class during TOS, TNG did refer to it as Constitution Class on screen, which would make it canon. It was also seen on technical schematics on TUC. There may be other incidences as well, but I can't remember.
As for Kirk, we know for sure that he served on two. I don't know if Republic and Farragut were actually really Constitution Class or not.
As for Kirk, we know for sure that he served on two. I don't know if Republic and Farragut were actually really Constitution Class or not.
Canonically? Four, in hindsight.
The Republic(circa 2250 in Academy training cruises), the Farragut(from 2254 until at least 2257), the Enterprise NCC-1701 and last but not least the Enterprise-A.
In non-canon novels he served with Gary Mitchell aboard the USS Constitution(NCC-1700)before being promoted to captain and getting his own command.
The Republic(circa 2250 in Academy training cruises), the Farragut(from 2254 until at least 2257), the Enterprise NCC-1701 and last but not least the Enterprise-A.
In non-canon novels he served with Gary Mitchell aboard the USS Constitution(NCC-1700)before being promoted to captain and getting his own command.
Well, there's no evidence that the Republic or Farragut were Connies.
And "Constitution class" comes from TOS, namely Scotty's tech journals.
And "Constitution class" comes from TOS, namely Scotty's tech journals.
Re: How many Constitution Class ships did Jim Kirk serve on
dont forget the Mirror Enterprise
dont forget the Mirror Enterprise
Not contemporary with the original series. But Paramount and Mike Okuda made their status as Connies canon and official in the 1990s with their numerous books, chronologies and dictionaries that the studio as well as TREK franchise production teams considered official.
The introductions to those books all specific that their speculation is non-canon.
At best, they are "canon until proven otherwise" (or CUPO, soon to be trademarked).
Re: How many Constitution Class ships did Jim Kirk serve on
^^^ TMoST was contemporary with the series and indicates Farragut and Republic are Starship/Constitution class ships.
^^^ TMoST was contemporary with the series and indicates Farragut and Republic are Starship/Constitution class ships.
Re: How many Constitution Class ships did Jim Kirk serve on
(You mean you don't know about their central role in the upcoming movie?)
Theoretically, it might make sense that, if Kirk was trained to serve on a Constitution class ship early on, he would spend most of his career serving on various other ships of that class. There could well be type-specific aspects to starship service, and a decorated Baton Rouge commander might be considered less fit to command a Constitution than a noob like Kirk who happens to have type-specific training...
Still, I find it rather unimaginative that MJ Friedman would use three supposed Constitution vessels in his Brother's Keeper books. I'm disinclined to believe in more than two Constitution tours of duty for Kirk, especially considering how emotional he always was about his TOS ship.
Timo Saloniemi
(You mean you don't know about their central role in the upcoming movie?)
Theoretically, it might make sense that, if Kirk was trained to serve on a Constitution class ship early on, he would spend most of his career serving on various other ships of that class. There could well be type-specific aspects to starship service, and a decorated Baton Rouge commander might be considered less fit to command a Constitution than a noob like Kirk who happens to have type-specific training...
Still, I find it rather unimaginative that MJ Friedman would use three supposed Constitution vessels in his Brother's Keeper books. I'm disinclined to believe in more than two Constitution tours of duty for Kirk, especially considering how emotional he always was about his TOS ship.
Timo Saloniemi
Re: How many Constitution Class ships did Jim Kirk serve on
Our opinions being what they are or not, the fact remains that the CREATORS within the franchise have more or less established that the Republic and Farragut were Constitution-class starships. Sure, it was decades later and in hindsight to more fully flesh out the TOS and greater TREK backstory, but there you go. Until and unless Mike Okuda or someone else in TREK comes out and says to ignore what the '90s reference books and computer omnipedias said, good enough for me.
Our opinions being what they are or not, the fact remains that the CREATORS within the franchise have more or less established that the Republic and Farragut were Constitution-class starships. Sure, it was decades later and in hindsight to more fully flesh out the TOS and greater TREK backstory, but there you go. Until and unless Mike Okuda or someone else in TREK comes out and says to ignore what the '90s reference books and computer omnipedias said, good enough for me.
Re: How many Constitution Class ships did Jim Kirk serve on
It was never clearly stated that these ships were the same type as Enterprise. However, it was clearly the INTENT OF THE PRODUCTION STAFF that these ships (which were on their production list of Constitution-class starships) were the same as Enterprise.
So, anything that states otherwise would, technically, be a "retcon." Just a very easy retcon to implement since it doesn't meet the "Roddenberry's rule" of "if it wasn't seen on-screen we don't know for sure."
I won't be upset if we see a different, non-Constitution-class USS Republic with Ensign Kirk on-board, or a different, non-Constitution-class USS Farragut with Lieutenant Kirk on-board.
I'll be much more upset if they say that he didn't serve on either of those ships at all.
As was stated, above, it's POSSIBLE that the original ships may have been destroyed, then replaced with new-build Constitution-class ships.
Oh, and re: the "Starship Class"... let's not stir up that silly argument again... puh-lEASE?
It was never clearly stated that these ships were the same type as Enterprise. However, it was clearly the INTENT OF THE PRODUCTION STAFF that these ships (which were on their production list of Constitution-class starships) were the same as Enterprise.
So, anything that states otherwise would, technically, be a "retcon." Just a very easy retcon to implement since it doesn't meet the "Roddenberry's rule" of "if it wasn't seen on-screen we don't know for sure."
I won't be upset if we see a different, non-Constitution-class USS Republic with Ensign Kirk on-board, or a different, non-Constitution-class USS Farragut with Lieutenant Kirk on-board.
I'll be much more upset if they say that he didn't serve on either of those ships at all.
As was stated, above, it's POSSIBLE that the original ships may have been destroyed, then replaced with new-build Constitution-class ships.
Oh, and re: the "Starship Class"... let's not stir up that silly argument again... puh-lEASE?
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