Totally agree. I was like “ok the visuals weren’t what I was expecting, but this is pretty good”. Then Michael went outside and it went a bit kaka from there. If you get the kaka reference you pass the test and we can be friends. Definitely. This is an issue with ENT (and the Orville actually - and I love the Orville - but I give it a pass on this front because it’s not Star Trek). I wanted DSC to be fresh and new and exciting and totally different whilst at the same time being familiar and recognisable and distinctly “Star Trek”. DSC had an impossible job from the get go. Well I wouldn’t go so far as to say there’s a “you guys” who don’t like DSC - I’ve never had an invite to one of the meetings - but maybe it won’t take 20 years for the show to improve. S2 looks like it has potential... I’m curious as to what your actual point is here. Since I don’t want to assume I know what you mean by this would you mind elaborating? I think I get your point but I don’t want to proceed from a faulty premise Agreed. I guess the Orville *is* a spiritual successor to Star Trek (in some ways - don’t yell at me) but then again Orville is a different show using a different name. The question becomes, would we want DSC to be more like the Orville? Overall, yes and no. Too much and it becomes like ENT (or Red Dwarf). Not enough and it remains Klingon rape sex and murderous sex trafficker Harry Mudd. That’s a good point. But, there are two explanations for this that are perfectly acceptable: 1. Spores. Like in TOS spores. Not magic FTL spores. Everyone got shot in the face by spores and they went nuts. 2. Michael is in a coma. She’s been in one ever since she was knocked out on the beacon. DSC as we perceive it is all in her coma addled mind.