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How into Halloween are you?

Warped9

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Like so many when I was young (back in the 1960s-70s) I went trick-or-treating around our neighbourhood. Back then we went out after supper so it was appropriately dark outside for all the little ghouls and whatever to go door-to-door for treats. Most back then went around in groups of friends and/or siblings. Small kids were escorted by either a parent or an older sibling. Yeah, there were store bought costumes, but there were a lot of homemade as well, some simple rough-and-ready and some elaborate. Occasionally we’d hear of a Halloween party and there were usually Halloween themed activities at school. It was fun.

Halloween didn’t seem so elaborate or that big a deal back then. It was mostly a fun event for kids and very few places erected any elaborate displays. Today Halloween gets a lot more attention and distinctly more places are setting up displays of varying elaborateness and often weeks in advance. A lot of fuss for a “holiday” that isn’t actually a holiday in the sense anyone gets any time off.

I aged out of Halloween and later, never having had any kids of my own, it largely fell off my radar. As a kid I was not aware of the historical origins and meanings of Halloween. I learned that decades later given I’m interested in history and how things came to be even if I’m not personally into it. Suffice to say the underlying meaning and spiritual significance of Halloween’s origins is largely gone for the vast majority of those who participate in it. We’re left with symbolic remnants of centuries old practices.

Halloween as we know it is indeed a (relatively) modern contraction/evolution of All Hallows Eve, the night preceding All Hallows Day (Nov. 1st). All Hallows Day led to All Hallows Eve or Evening. In Irish that became All Hollows Ein, then basically Hallows Ein. Of course, from there it eventually became Halloween.

In ancient times the end of summer and beginning of autumn/winter was considered a mystical time (known as Samhein) when the barrier between the mortal world and the supernatural realm was thin and permeable. There were rituals to protect oneself and communities from supernatural entities who might cross over into the mortal world and might do harm or abduct individuals back to the supernatural world. Today’s practice of dressing up in costume on Halloween evolved out of the ancient practice of “guising”—dressing up as animals or creatures to be disguised and hidden from whatever supernatural beings might be on the prowl.

Eventually the spread of Christianity and their observance of All Saints Day (Nov. 1st) and later also All Souls Day (Nov. 2nd) was co-opted with Samhain. All Saints Day eventually became known as All Hallows (essentially all that are holy). The night of Oct. 31st was also known as Mischief Night. From there you can see where Halloween came from.

The trick-or-treating aspect of Halloween descends from the ancient ritual known as solling. In the past people, including children, went door-to-door offering a prayer (for the soul of those departed) in exchange for food or treats often in the form of small cakes known as sol cakes, prepared by those who were able or could afford to make them. Of course, this became predominantly children calling for treats and candy and good-naturedly making a threat of a trick or vandalism if refused a treat. It’s interesting the practice of solling is similar to the wassailing of old Christmas where wassaillers offered songs in exchange for gifts of food and drink and threaten tricks if refused. My, our ancestors were such a good-natured bunch.

So in the past “Halloween” was not only a ritual of protecting oneself from supernatural forces, but also a day of observance and prayer for those (holy and regular folk) who had passed on and to facilitate the passage of their souls into heaven.

All that is largely lost today replaced by an excuse to cosplay, party and collect goodies. There is certainly nothing sombre or spiritually significant about it except perhaps to a very few.
 
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I am very into Halloween. I love it. Unfortunately, no one in my neighborhood is; we don't even have trick or treaters. All the kids go the park for a Halloween carnival where they give out candy.

It's a perfectly safe neighborhood with limited access so I don't understand why they are ruining the kids' fun. *shrug*

I might put out a few lights and my plastic pumpkin, but that's about it for my Halloween.
 
Never dressed up, or went door to door.
Didn't go to any Halloween themed events while in school.
Stayed at home and answered the door.
 
That's a shame. We had a lot of fun trick or treating around our neighborhood.

It's okay.
I was never much of a social person, so going trick or treating would have caused anxiety.
My brother and his family on the other hand, go all out in decorations and dressing up.
 
It just occurred to me I overlooked an aspect of Halloween that stills persists in some form today: fear.

During Samhain individuals and communities were in fear of supernatural forces. With All Hallows Eve the fear evolved into that of teenage vandals and pranksters who did not get their treats. But with modern Halloween a new fear supplanted the one controlled by established contemporary Halloween practices. The new fear was of anti-social monsters residing within familiar communities. In the late 1960s and '70s stories began to circulate of apples containing hidden razor blades or pins or homemade treats laced with poison. Parents started being really diligent with inspecting their children's candy collections. They also started asking their neighbours to not offer homemade treats, but hand out factory packaged store bought treats instead. And this fear persists today, not only in terms of treats handed out, but now many parents don't allow their children to go trick-or-treating after dark. There is a lot more parental supervision today and a lot of the door-to-door trick-or-treating is done while there is still daylight.

The sad irony of all this is despite zero evidence of any child ever being harmed by Halloween treats collected from a neighbour the myth, stories and fear persists. Evidence gathered of any children harmed on Halloween show it had nothing to do with treats collected on Halloween.
 
Not very. Beyond the trick or treating, my family never really put much emphasis on it, and I don't really like how much bigger an industry it's become in terms of yard decorations. and some of them are quite ugly. Differences of opinion, but Halloween for us was never about scaring kids, it was more about seeing the costumes. Nowadays so much has changed and decorations have become much bigger.

Our neighbourhood doesn't seem big on Halloween now either, and the number of trick or treaters have dwindled into single digits over the last decade or so, so sometimes we debate on wether we should even buy candies anymore.
 
The sad irony of all this is despite zero evidence of any child ever being harmed by Halloween treats collected from a neighbour the myth, stories and fear persists. Evidence gathered of any children harmed on Halloween show it had nothing to do with treats collected on Halloween.
Every time this has been alleged to have happened, the people 'finding' the stuff ended up being hoaxers who put it there in the first place.
 
I live in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by agricultural property, mostly orchards. Not a single trick-or-treater in over 30 years. I am 500 feet from the nearest road, and difficult to see from the road, especially at night. The road is a county highway with a speed limit of 55 miles per hour, with traffic that is typically exceeded the limit. There are no streetlights, and there is no paved surface for pedestrians next to the roadway, so they have to walk in the weeds and gravel that is the road shoulder. It wouldn't be safe to walk in the daytime, much less after dark.

I don't put up decorations, as no one would see them anyway. I do have a lot of feral cats on the property, some of them are black, but that is just a coincidence and not planned for Halloween. Also, the outside of my house is pre-decorated with spider webs, as the presence of spiders doesn't bother me, and I leave them in place when Halloween is over.
 
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Every time this has been alleged to have happened, the people 'finding' the stuff ended up being hoaxers who put it there in the first place.
Another irony is even as this new fear took hold companies saw the opportunity to cash in on it by promoting "safe" store bought candy in tandem with ramping up the home decorating aspects. So people have gone into distrusting familiar neighbours while trusting faceless corporations. Yeesh! :rolleyes:
 
When I was a kid Halloween wasn't a thing at all over here in Germany. Now it's a bit more popular but really mostly only as another excuse for younger people to dress up and get drunk at parties. Some people do put out a carved pumpkin or two, but it's not a common sight. And massive scary home decorations aren't a thing at all, at least not where I live.

We also get some kids walking through the streets asking for candy but since a lot of people here don't appreciate strangers at the door AND most people here in this village are old and unfamiliar with Halloween the parents basically make sure the kids only ring the doorbell in places where they'll actually get candy (meaning, the parents and the people who are being asked for candy have talked in advance).

I'm not into Halloween myself, I turn off the doorbell just to make no one disturbs me and everything is as it usually is.
 
I generally keep the front of my house dark as a signal no one is answering the door, that is if I’m even home around that time. That said I live in a new subdivision and I don’t recall seeing any kids around here last year. And where I lived before we saw few kids making the rounds.

I have a coworker who is very much into the ancient spiritual aspects around the holidays, much more into Yule and the winter solstice and such than Christmas itself. I have no idea what she thinks about Halloween.
 
I've mellowed down in recent years. There used to be an annual Halloween potluck and costume contest hosted by one of the departments at work, and I always dressed up and participated. Since the pandemic, no one wanted to put it together, or it was just some random lunch gathering. What are we supposed to do besides stare at each other's costumes? 🙄 I still try to dress up.

I also used to live with several family members in a house, and we would always pass out candy to trick or treaters. As a renter in a small apartment, I don't see too many trick or treaters in my neighborhood, so I don't bother anymore.
 
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