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how far did KIRK go?

By the time the NEXT GENERATION comes they have met so many more aliens. Yes, I know, a hundred or so years have passed since TOS events. But if the Cardassians were as advanced as they were then why didn't kirk ever bump into any of them?

Especially, if my memory serves, a Cardassian was mentioned as being on Vulcan a long time ago, or am I wrong about that?

Yes, I know, Cardassians were not yet 'invented' but I have often wondered just how far did Kirk go? To the edge of the Galaxy we know, but in what direction did he go if you look at the standard Alpha Beta Gamma Delta TREK map?

Rob
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Well, in Star Trek V Kirk also went ot the center of the galaxy in a matter of days, so scale simply can not be reconciled between TOS and TNG. Kirk went as far as the story called for. An in-universe explanation is simply reaching.
 
Kirk never met a Cardassian because he was never in the area of the galaxy where the Cardassian Union is. Also they probably kept to themselves mostly back then.
 
Aren't there indications in ST:TNG & DS9 that the Cardassians were pretty pour resource wise and backward in technology for a long time. Which is why they spent time exploiting other starfaring races like the Bajorans.

If the Cardies back then were backward and resouce poor, they might've kept a low profile to avoid pissing off the mighty Federation.
 
Could be that the Cardassians at the time were not all that significant. A minor power in a galactic backwater that the UFP rarely thought about. St. John Talbot probably did a stint as ambassdor and had a child named Madred with his Cardassian maid.
 
Kirk never met a Cardassian because he was never in the area of the galaxy where the Cardassian Union is. Also they probably kept to themselves mostly back then.

pretty good explanation.
especially considering there were other ships.
 
And just because 22nd century Organians on ENT met Cardassians does not necessarily mean that a 23rd century Kirk would ever have had the chance. For one, the Organians are incredibly advanced and non-corporeal and can probably just flit across the expanses of space with relatively little effort. They could very well have encountered most of the species we come to know during the Picard era by the time even Archer's mission began. But Kirk was limited to 23rd century starship engine speeds and the reach of the vessels of his day, so he probably never ran into any Cardassians unless he just simply didn't know it and what they were.
 
It should be noted that by Kirk's time, even relatively nearby places like Pollux/Beta Geminorum were unexplored by Starfleet or the Federation - yet relatively faraway places like Omicron Ceti were human colonies.

It would appear that the shape of explored space was not that of a perfect sphere with the radius defined by the range of the starships. Rather, it would be like a sea urchin, with long, very thin (and probably oddly curved) spikes heading out into the depths of space, leaving massive unexplored volumes in between. How far the farthest of those spikes reached is a matter of debate, as is the issue of whether Kirk would have been responsible for the farthest sortie.

For example, in "Where No Man", Kirk claims that no Earthship could possibly have come that far (to a place from where it would be a short hop to leave the galaxy) before the Enterprise. He is proven wrong, of course - but even then, we cannot tell whether Kirk meant "no Earthship this far from Earth" or "no Earthship this far in this direction".

If we accept the former, then that's probably the farthest Kirk ever went (but sadly, we don't know how far that is). If the latter, the next candidate might be Rigel, some 900 lightyears away - but we know at least Pike went there before, and so did McCoy at some point in the past. Trelane's mad little world was also 900 ly from Earth, perhaps indicating that Kirk (and other Starfleet heroes?) regularly traveled that far.

The heroes also know about Denebian slime devils, which might hail from the star Deneb/Alpha Cygni, some 3,000 lightyears away by modern reckoning. But nothing indicates the heroes would have traveled that far themselves...

As for the center-of-galaxy thing, which Kirk did both in ST5:TFF and TAS "Magicks of Megas-Tu", it could be either accepted as a record (about 26,000 ly from Earth by modern reckoning) - or contested as an impossibility and explained away as an instance of going towards the core, but only a fraction of the way. But if Kirk actually went to the rim of our galactic disk, this would be an equal feat of some 25,000 ly - and Kirk did it thrice in TOS and once in TAS.

However, as regards this rim thing, it should be noted that the straight line between the Milky Way and the Andromeda galaxy would not run through the rim of the Milky Way, so the trip depicted in "By Any Other Name" would have involved penetrating the barrier at some lesser distance. No such helpful data is available on the other three instances, alas.

Timo Saloniemi
 
TREK maintains most of its hard-fought continuity, but we'd all be lying if we came in here and claimed the science was right that often.
 
Thing is of course, we don't know if Kirk did meet a Cardassian or not. After all, we know McCoy had met a Trill.

Remember, we see very little of the Enterprise's actual 5-year mission on screen. We never see the episodes of "Stardate 8146.2. We visited the planet Bajor, an interesting world with a wonderful culture. Spent a few days there taking in the local sights, did a little shopping. McCoy picked up Spock an 'I went to Bajor and all I got was this lousy t-shirt' shirt, and Spock just went on about the illogic of the concept. We had a laugh, did some more shopping, then left."

After all, what would have happened in "Wolf in the Fold" if Redjack hadn't appeared?
 
If Kirk DID meet one or more Cardassians he didn't get the name of their species and then report it to Starfleet, otherwise so much of TREK lore wouldn't lean towards the Federation not being in any sort of contact with the Cardassian Union until after the Kirk era was over.
 
If Kirk DID meet one or more Cardassians he didn't get the name of their species and then report it to Starfleet, otherwise so much of TREK lore wouldn't lean towards the Federation not being in any sort of contact with the Cardassian Union until after the Kirk era was over.
What lore supports that?
 
If Kirk DID meet one or more Cardassians he didn't get the name of their species and then report it to Starfleet, otherwise so much of TREK lore wouldn't lean towards the Federation not being in any sort of contact with the Cardassian Union until after the Kirk era was over.
What lore supports that?

Well, just about every episode, movie and non-canon novel points to Federation contact with the Cardies not happening until around the early 24th century. Is that "official"? No. But since the new J.J. Abrams reboot and reset is probably going to mean we don't get resolutions to old TREK universe problems and timeline queries anytime in the forseeable future I think we're sort of meant to think first contact didn't happen until after Kirk was feared lost.
 
If Kirk DID meet one or more Cardassians he didn't get the name of their species and then report it to Starfleet, otherwise so much of TREK lore wouldn't lean towards the Federation not being in any sort of contact with the Cardassian Union until after the Kirk era was over.
What lore supports that?

Well, just about every episode, movie and non-canon novel points to Federation contact with the Cardies not happening until around the early 24th century. Is that "official"? No. But since the new J.J. Abrams reboot and reset is probably going to mean we don't get resolutions to old TREK universe problems and timeline queries anytime in the forseeable future I think we're sort of meant to think first contact didn't happen until after Kirk was feared lost.
What specifically points to that? Just because they werent mentioned in TOS doesn't mean they weren't around in the 23rd Century. TOS usually had a narrow focus: The missions of the USS Enterprise rather than the broader view of TNG or DS9 which ventured into matters of Galactic proportions more often.
 
What lore supports that?

Well, just about every episode, movie and non-canon novel points to Federation contact with the Cardies not happening until around the early 24th century. Is that "official"? No. But since the new J.J. Abrams reboot and reset is probably going to mean we don't get resolutions to old TREK universe problems and timeline queries anytime in the forseeable future I think we're sort of meant to think first contact didn't happen until after Kirk was feared lost.
What specifically points to that? Just because they werent mentioned in TOS doesn't mean they weren't around in the 23rd Century. TOS usually had a narrow focus: The missions of the USS Enterprise rather than the broader view of TNG or DS9 which ventured into matters of Galactic proportions more often.

I'm just leaning and going where the producers from 1987 to 2005 seemed to be indicating, even if they never said so officially on screen.
 
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