How easy is it actually to reverse engineer a UFO?

[StarCruiser]

^ Defeating the Roman Empire wasn't the point...

Per some Jewish scholars, Rabbi Yeshua was very real and was just a normal human being who blasphemed per Jewish doctrine by claiming that the covenant between God and the Hebrew tribe was NOT only meant for the Hebrew tribe but rather, was for all of God's children, even the hated Romans.

That is supposed to be why he was crucified. It may also explain why there are so many "Jews" of European ancestry that aren't actually Hebrew (or have very little Hebrew DNA). There may have been two competing proselytizing movements at play at the same time. One that became what we call Christianity and the other that simply spread Judaism to people that weren't born Hebrew...

 

[Swedish Borg]

If Jesus were that smart, he wouldn't have got himself crucified. He would have created a laser blaster out of nothing and defeated the Roman Empire single handed.

If you're that skeptic when you meet him that might anger him and you don't want to meet Jesus when he's crossed...

....

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Hey, whatever happened to turn the other cheek, fella?

 

[Swedish Borg]

Hey, whatever happened to turn the other cheek, fella?

Well, that's for the devotees.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Well Christianity is like The Borg..... You must all comply

 

[diankra]

Who is to say what its properties are? It's fictional after all and H G Wells died a long time ago so we can't ask him.

And he wrote it before Einstein, though he lived till a lot later.
IIRC, Wells didn’t write any SF that had to deal with Einstein's theories.

 

[diankra]

I suspect that most people if they had a time travel device would go back two millennia to see how accurate the story of Jesus really is and maybe to get an autograph or something, that's got to be worth a lot!!!

There's a book, Ian Watson I think, where a Roman soldier is dropped into the present day, and is astonished so many people are so interested in one of the many executions he supervised.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

And he wrote it before Einstein, though he lived till a lot later.

Wells died in 1946 so he lived to see WW2 start in 1939 rather than his predicted 1940 but it didn't last as long as he expected in The Shape of Things to Come. Einstein died in 1955.

IIRC, Wells didn’t write any SF that had to deal with Einstein's theories.

True, his science was pretty much grounded in the 19th century. His training was in biology under Thomas Henry Huxley, aka "Darwin's Bulldog". Einstein praised one of Wells' non-fiction works, A Short History of the World. However, I don't think Wells had any deep understanding of the revolution in modern physics and its implications that took place in the early 20th century.

Wells' ideal socialist utopia has still to be realised. He wasn't a fan of democracy but believed instead in a benevolent dictatorship by a scientific elite who would eliminate all religion from the Earth. He would have hated the domination of capitalism and religious fanaticism of any sort.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

^ Defeating the Roman Empire wasn't the point...

It was a joke but never mind...

Per some Jewish scholars, Rabbi Yeshua was very real and was just a normal human being who blasphemed per Jewish doctrine by claiming that the covenant between God and the Hebrew tribe was NOT only meant for the Hebrew tribe but rather, was for all of God's children, even the hated Romans.

That is supposed to be why he was crucified.

It's very likely that several rabbis called Yeshua were crucified, probably in the Jewish fashion, which I understand involved stoning as well. It's the most likely origin of the story. Whether any of them preached the message of the NT Jesus is unknown but it's possible. Besides being implausible, the miracles are retelling of similar tales from the OT.

It may also explain why there are so many "Jews" of European ancestry that aren't actually Hebrew (or have very little Hebrew DNA). There may have been two competing proselytizing movements at play at the same time. One that became what we call Christianity and the other that simply spread Judaism to people that weren't born Hebrew...

Hebrew DNA Research - Background | FamilyTreeDNA
Yeah, it's a thing but let's not go there...

 

[diankra]

Wells died in 1946 so he lived to see WW2 start in 1939 rather than his predicted 1940 but it didn't last as long as he expected in The Shape of Things to Come. Einstein died in 1955.

I meant that he lived past Einstein's publications changed physics, but as we both said, he never dealt with them in fiction.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Well Christianity is like The Borg..... You must all comply

Well, at least with the borg the worst that can happen is to be disconnected and dismantled, that's nowhere near the horror of eternal torture!

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Well, at least with the borg the worst that can happen is to be disconnected and dismantled, that's nowhere near the horror of eternal torture!

Hey what if the Devil is the good guy and we just got it all backwards?

 

[publiusr]

The Prometheus aspect Jack Parsons and LaVey...and Yazidis...shared...walking the left hand path they called it. Parsons was a strange cat at what would be JPL. Face on Mars Hoagland and others go on and on about that Nephelim stuff

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Still imagine the fun if the Face on Mars was an actual face..... Explain that one experts

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Easy, they'd term it pareidolia. Our neural networks are trained from our earliest years to recognise faces, especially Jesus for some reason although there are no depictions of him that have any verifiable accuracy. There's a coastline somewhere in Canada that looks just like George Bernard Shaw. We have photos of that guy.

 

[publiusr]

In terms of faces and megalithic structures...

...if I were to do—heaven forbid—a remake of 2001...I’d have a limited series leaning more towards A.C. Clarke’s exposition.

Falcon Heavy with Dream Chaser to ISS. Stan Borowski nuclear shuttle to a modest Moonbase. All tech we could have had by 2001 had things gone a bit better.

-But where I would go big are the city sized Lunar Lava Tubes.

The underground footage or stone monuments not unlike my guilty pleasure film...THE KEEP

Where folks are looking for HAL...they really get

AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS

 

[Swedish Borg]

Still imagine the fun if the Face on Mars was an actual face..... Explain that one experts

The face on mars doesn't look like a face at all. It was an optical illusion due in part to a bad resolution.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

The face on mars doesn't look like a face at all. It was an optical illusion due in part to a bad resolution.

OK party pooper we know that.
I was just saying if the structure were an actual face how would the experts here on Earth explain it away?

 

[Swedish Borg]

OK party pooper we know that.
I was just saying if the structure were an actual face how would the experts here on Earth explain it away?

Why explain it away? If it was a real thing it wouldn't need to be explained away. However improbable it is if we discovered an actual artifact made by beings from another planet that would be an event absolutely UNIQUE in our history but we're not there yet, I doubt that we'll ever be.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

That would be the kind of prank I'd do if I were a Q, remake the face of Mars into an actual face just to see the reaction.