Pretty much spot on.
TAS was bad because it was low quality bad. LD because of poor choices, production and character design, scripts, gags etc.
How does Lower Decks compare to Star Trek the Animated Series?
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TAS was bad because it was low quality bad. LD because of poor choices, production and character design, scripts, gags etc.
Honestly, the TNG nostalgia is the one aspect that annoys me about this show. But, the characters give it enough heart for me to connect and ignore the TNG stuff.
I think it will be fine in the long run.
Most of the characters are tolerable, but Mariner is not. It feels like Discovery all over again!
Good thing they have good characters 
Isn't the second episode of TAS one with Spocks parents and the Guardian of Forever. Followed by episodes with Tribbles, Koloth and Mudd. They also manage to meet Kor again.
I agree with this. I think the storylines are good and characters are likeable and the animation is good. If they slow down the frentic pace and have character speak with normal tones then I will like it better.
Even when they scamper off from the Borg fight. That still cracks me up when I see it
And the hell the TAS episode everyone raves about: "Yesteryear" has a HUGE continuity violation with respect to the guardian of forever.
In TOS season 1 "City on the Edge of Forever" A huge plot point is the fact that the guardian of forever can only offer time in one way: It starts to run the time flow for a planet or a location in space from the beginning until a traveler hops through the gateway.
After McCoy hops through, Kirk even asks: "Can you change the speed at which yesterday passes?"
The guardian responds: "I was made to offer the past in this manner. I cannot change."
Yet in The TAS episode, "Yesteryear", we see Federation researchers and Spock himself able to call out a specific date and place; and the guardian is able to set this up and let him pass through into that precise date and location.
Yet no one seems to mind that MAJOR continuity error.
Yet in The TAS episode, "Yesteryear", we see Federation researchers and Spock himself able to call out a specific date and place; and the guardian is able to set this up and let him pass through into that precise date and location.
Yet no one seems to mind that MAJOR continuity error.
Since it takes place after “City...”, you just have to figure they came up with a way to slow it down.
I used to think that, but when I was researching the "Yesteryear" scene for my novel Forgotten History, I realized that it's only the Alan Dean Foster version that has it narrowed to a precise, fixed moment. In the actual episode, Spock just says "thirty years past, the month of Tasmeen... near the city of ShiKahr." And the animation does show the Guardian cycling repeatedly through a series of images just as it did in "City," rather than showing a single unchanging place and time as in the Foster adaptation.
So the exact wording here matters. In "City," Kirk only asked if the Guardian could change the speed -- he didn't ask if it could narrow the range it displayed. In Forgotten History, which showed the events leading up to the start of "Yesteryear," I had Aleek-Om explain to Kirk that they'd discovered that while the speed was indeed fixed, they could narrow the location and the span of time it cycled through, and Kirk blushed and said he'd never thought of asking that.
But the Guardian's reply was succinct:
"I was made to offer the past in this manner...I cannot change."
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Those are the relevant words in the guardian's reply that pretty much show it was made to offer time travel in the one way he was doing it.
After it was finally booted up in COTEOF it was able to download all the upgrades.
Firmware update for the win!
But let's consider what "in this manner" actually means. What were shown in "City on the Edge" was not the entire history of Earth, all 4.54 billion years of it. The first image the Guardian showed was of the pyramids of Giza in Egypt, only about 4800 years in Kirk and Spock's past. (Never mind that it showed them at their 20th-century level of deterioration; we're taking them for what they were meant to represent in-story.) So the Guardian was already cycling through a very tiny fraction of the available time. And why start at Egypt (aside from the availability of stock footage)? Why not start with the evolution of Homo sapiens, or with the invention of fire, or with the invention of writing or agriculture? Clearly the Guardian is able to select the duration of the window it displays, to choose to begin it at an arbitrarily recent point. And since the display stopped when McCoy jumped through it, it can be ended at an arbitrary point too. And that means it can choose how far apart those start and end points are. That's built into the "manner" of display we were shown, and thus "Yesteryear" doesn't actually contradict it at all.
But that's not the kind of show their goal is to make.
Like it or not, those elements are a distinct artistic choice that coheres with the particular genre of adult animated sitcom that Lower Decks is a part of. Lower Decks is a series in the vein of Rick & Morty, Harley Quinn, Bob's Burgers, Archer, American Dad!, Family Guy, The Simpsons, etc. You might as well object to Shakespeare writing in iambic pentameter or Tim Burton using German expressionism.
I think it just might not be the show for you.
In what possible sense does Mariner have anything to do with any element of DIS?
And the hell the TAS episode everyone raves about: "Yesteryear" has a HUGE continuity violation with respect to the guardian of forever.
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Yet no one seems to mind that MAJOR continuity error.
Audiences rarely mind discontinuities if the discontinuity facilitates the telling of a good story. They usually find a rationalization.
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