Spoilers How do you like it that Picard is an android now?

[Char Kais]

Well, doesn't matter anyway.

They are sweeping that under the rug.
Dropping it like a hot potato.

https://trekmovie.com/2022/02/20/in...queen-and-more-for-star-trek-picard-season-2/

Did you always have in the back of your mind when you were mapping out this second season that Picard is an android?

It’s interesting, even in the sort of the turning of him to synthetic at the end of season one, we were pretty clear about saying there’s nothing enhanced here. That fundamentally you are who you were; it’s just that you won’t die of this particular genetic misfortune that you carry with you. And we really do play it that way. There are no super-secret neato-cool things that happen to Picard, or that Picard is capable of doing, that are in any way really tied to his new body. We did it to sort of make a resurrection arc, but… we’re not pressing forward with the idea of the hybridization of Picard and synthetic.

Don't you like it that the showrunner announces in advance that is going to ignore the season 1 final?
Akiva Goldsman has it all planned out.

 

[Midquest]

So, your title isn't a real invitation to discuss an interesting ethical and existential question but the set-up for a "gotcha" moment. OK.

Don't you like it that the showrunner announces in advance that is going to ignore the season 1 final?

No, what Goldsman is saying is that this won't be a story about a super-powered android Picard. This plot direction is exactly what the finale of last season promised by treating Picard as effectively the same person with the same suspectibility to age and eventual infirmity as before, with one tiny and debilitating issue fixed. Contrary to your statement above, they are announcing that they are delivering what was promised.

In contrast, and ironically, the story you seem disappointed they aren't following would have been a distortion of what the finale promised.

Edit: also, this isn't really news. Chabon said the same thing after the finale.

 

[Vger23]

He always acted a little bit like an android anyway, so I don't think I care one bit.

 

[Dukhat]

You know, PIC isn’t my favorite Star Trek series either, but I don’t feel the need to lambaste it with every post I make, especially a derogatory post that’s written to look like an attempt to actually have a meaningful discussion but is actually just more of your whining.

And, btw, Picard is not an android. And your attempt at a spoiler tag in the title becomes meaningless when the actual title of the thread gives that spoiler away.

 

[137th Gebirg]

All good points. Recommend </thread>.

 

[Char Kais]

And, btw, Picard is not an android. And your attempt at a spoiler tag in the title becomes meaningless when the actual title of the thread gives that spoiler away.

Picard was turned into an android in season 1. That's not what the spoiler tag is for.
That it doesn't matter in season two, that they drop this storyline, that they talk about it openly, that is the spoiler.

 

[Char Kais]

No, what Goldsman is saying is that this won't be a story about a super-powered android Picard.

There is a difference between "super-powered android Picard" and "not pressing forward with the idea of the hybridization of Picard and synthetic", aka dropping the storyline, completely ignoring a major event in season 1 and Picard's life.
What was the point of killing him and turning him into an Android if it's not getting addressed?

 

[Dukhat]

You continuing to refer to him as an android doesn’t make it any more true. Stop trying so hard to evoke a response out of people. You’re not terribly good at it.

And the title of your thread really has nothing to do with what you’re actually discussing, because you invalidate it with your first sentence. It’s just clickbait to get people to read your rant. But you really had no intention of having any kind of meaningful discussion about the ethics of Picard’s new body, did you?

 

[Midquest]

There is a difference between "super-powered android Picard" and "not pressing forward with the idea of the hybridization of Picard and synthetic", aka dropping the storyline, completely ignoring a major event in season 1 and Picard's life.
What was the point of killing him and turning him into an Android if it's not getting addressed?

No. That's patently not what Goldsman is saying, as I'm sure you realize. He specifically rejects the idea of "super-secret neato-cool things" and capabilities "tied to his new body." He's specifically saying they're not imbuing Picard with synthetic abilities.

One imagines that the point of Picard's resurrection was to explore his relationship with life, death, and change, not tell an android story. Just because the story they're telling isn't the one you want doesn't mean they're dropping the story.

I'm not sure why I'm bothering to say this given that this thread's title versus content is a total bait-and-switch.

 

[Jinn]

I am very ambivalent about Picard being an android now. It was essentially just a tool for the whole death and resurrection thing in the season one finale, as Goldsman says. The most interesting story possibility I could think of would be Picard having to deal with being a synth during the synth ban, but that got repelled in the finale (stupid NuTrek and it's stories having hopeful, positive endings!). So that leaves Picard having to come to terms with being resurrected, but that doesn't really have anything to do with being a synth specifically; and prejudiced individuals discriminating against Picard because he's a synth now, which probably won't happen since you can't tell that he's not a human from just looking, or scanning him. Since they're going into the past (or into an alternate timeline?) this season that option is off the table anyway.

 

[Dukhat]

Picard is not an android. He’s not made out of rubber, plastic and metal. He’s a flesh-and-blood synthetic person; a clone; and the only reason why he now has this body was to eradicate his Irumodic syndrome that was killing him. That plot line is over, so there’s no reason to bring up the fact that he has a synthetic body, since for all intents and purposes it’s no different than his previous body, disease notwithstanding. He’s still going to grow old and eventually die. And it has nothing to do with the plot of season 2.

 

[NCC-73515]

He's more flesh and blood now than he was for decades with his non-biological heart
Since these new synths are "flesh and blood" and "human inside and out", they're more comparable to clones, or augments when enhanced.
Picard is basically in a 3D-printed burger body now, not in a tin man body.

 

[Noname Given]

Picard is not an android. He’s not made out of rubber, plastic and metal. He’s a flesh-and-blood synthetic person; a clone; and the only reason why he now has this body was to eradicate his Irumodic syndrome that was killing him. That plot line is over, so there’s no reason to bring up the fact that he has a synthetic body, since for all intents and purposes it’s no different than his previous body, disease notwithstanding. He’s still going to grow old and eventually die. And it has nothing to do with the plot of season 2.

You realize that in TNG S1 - supposedly Data was bio-mechanical as well. Everytime they had an issue with him in that season, he went to Sickbay and Dr. Crusher; and not Engineering (I left out Geordi as he wasn't an Engineer in TNG S1 - that change didn't happen until S2.)

Picard is currently a bio-mechanical construct...he's not entirely a machine, nor is he human nor even a Cyborg in the 'classic' sense - he's a bio-mechanical android.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

We had this discussion a couple months ago. Is there nothing else to talk about with 9 days until S2 premieres?!!

 

[Dukhat]

You realize that in TNG S! - supposedly Data was bio-mechanical as well. Everytime they had an issue with him in that season, he went to Sickbay and Dr. Crusher; and not Engineering (I left out Geordi as he wasn't an Engineer in TNG S1 - that change didn't happen until S2.)

Picard is currently a bio-mechanical construct...he's not entirely a machine, nor is he human nor even a Cyborg in the 'classic' sense - he's a bio-mechanical android.

TNG season 1 pre-production also had Data’s origins as an alien android until they changed that to having him be built by Soong. So S1 really isn’t a good measure of proving anything.

And is there evidence that there’s any mechanical parts inside Picard’s new body?

 

[NCC-73515]

PICARD: Commander Riker has dramatically demonstrated to this court that Lieutenant Commander Data is a machine. Do we deny that? No. Because it is not relevant. We too are machines, just machines of a different type.

 

[Dukhat]

PICARD: Commander Riker has dramatically demonstrated to this court that Lieutenant Commander Data is a machine. Do we deny that? No. Because it is not relevant. We too are machines, just machines of a different type.

Yep. NuCylons were machines too, but most certainly not androids.

 

[Deks]

The fact Picard is a bio android now opens up new storytelling possibilities.
I didn't like the fact they limited his lifespan though because I think Picard would eventually WANT to live a longer life (how much time would be of his own choosing - maybe a few hundred years or so and then he'd potentially say 'that's enough for me' - though realistically, I don't think it would be enough - because given the kind of society the UFP is, and the kind of opportunities is can offer to people, the potential for exploration extends into a really long time frame - maybe Picard would end up dying of unpredictable causes - such as say a cave in or in an anomaly).

 

[StarMan]

Well, doesn't matter anyway.

They are sweeping that under the rug.
Dropping it like a hot potato.

https://trekmovie.com/2022/02/20/in...queen-and-more-for-star-trek-picard-season-2/



Don't you like it that the showrunner announces in advance that is going to ignore the season 1 final?
Akiva Goldsman has it all planned out.

Picard is now an android / synthetic / golem and you're telling me the writer of Transformers has no no super-secret neato-cool things?

Picard wants to take the dune buggy down to a planet? Bah. He *is* the dune buggy.

Ship about to be blown up by an angry Romulan warbird? Picard Emergency Escape Pod.

Frankly, you could plug that magic synthetic wand that can make-or-do-anything up his backside and the sky's the limit.

At least give him some internal 'Tea - Earl Grey' nodes.

 

[fireproof78]

Picard is now an android / synthetic / golem and you're telling me the writer of Transformers has no no super-secret neato-cool things?

No, they don't.