How do you feel about the films now vs. when you first saw them?
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TMP - Never really entertained me that much and I can never get past those uniforms (or Scotty's stash). But hey, it was the first one and it stayed true to core Trek, so I gave them a mulligan, which I still honor.
TWoK - Best then, best now. I cried at the end - and still do. I was disappointed when Shatner didn't show up to Nimoy's funeral to deliver the eulogy.
TSfS - I've always had a soft spot for this one. I recorded it off of Showtime on VHS and watched it until the tape broke. IMO, best character-based movie. Still love it. Oh yeah, I cried when the Enterprise went down. And yes, I still do.
TVH - When I first saw it, I had to hate it on principle because it was nicknamed "The Trek film for non-Trek fans." I felt a little like all the normal people were crashing the cool geek party. Now that they've all gone (to J.J.'s party), I can secretly love it. Plus, I ended up marrying a Marine Biologist, so I have to love it for her.
TFF - Never thought of it as a movie. Kirk ate some mushrooms while camping, had a really weird trip about going to the center of the galaxy and meeting God and partying with a punk Klingon and Spock's drunk brother. Then he came back to reality and started singing row-row-row your boat. The camping trip is the only thing that happened, and I refuse to accept anything else in that waste of time was real. The only thing that's changed is now I just see it as that non-descriptive space between TVH and TUC in my box set.
TUC - Very solid finale for the TOS vets. Well-balanced with humor, character engagement, plot, and adventure. Coordinated perfectly to parallel the fall of the USSR, the story was classic Trek. A very close second to Kahn, always!
Gen - At the time it felt like a series finale for the big screen that was trying to follow an absolutely awesome finale for the show that (IMO) can't be topped. Kirk was out of place and the whole story felt like it was trying too hard to force memorable moments (which never happened). The lighting was a step up, but it pissed me of when they recycled footage of the Bird-of-Prey explosion from TUC. I like it even less now.
FC - Loved it, save for the out of place humor. Don't know if that was Frakes or the writing, but it annoys me when they think good humor comes from making a parody of themselves. Still love it.
Ins - At the time I thought it was a solid episode that just happened to be shown in the movie theater - nothing special. But they double-downed on the parody humor, which seems to annoy me more as I get older. At this point it loses me around the time Data says he can be used as a flotation device. It brings me back when Riker and Troi hooks up, but then it loses me again when Riker pulls out the joist stick to steer the ship. Though not as bad, I consider this to be TNG's FF moment.
Nem - I loved it when it came out, and I still like it a lot. It was apparent that they got a director that never had anything to do with Trek. I think that is often the best way to go, since those directors tend to focus less on the perceived demand by fans (who often don't really know what they want) and just focus on making a good movie. I thought the story was original, the acting was solid, the plot progressed and built up evenly, the sense of ending was well-stated but not overbearing, and the battle scene was spectacular - good enough to rival TWoK. And of course, I cried when Data died...
...and I still do.
TWoK - Best then, best now. I cried at the end - and still do. I was disappointed when Shatner didn't show up to Nimoy's funeral to deliver the eulogy.
TSfS - I've always had a soft spot for this one. I recorded it off of Showtime on VHS and watched it until the tape broke. IMO, best character-based movie. Still love it. Oh yeah, I cried when the Enterprise went down. And yes, I still do.
TVH - When I first saw it, I had to hate it on principle because it was nicknamed "The Trek film for non-Trek fans." I felt a little like all the normal people were crashing the cool geek party. Now that they've all gone (to J.J.'s party), I can secretly love it. Plus, I ended up marrying a Marine Biologist, so I have to love it for her.
TFF - Never thought of it as a movie. Kirk ate some mushrooms while camping, had a really weird trip about going to the center of the galaxy and meeting God and partying with a punk Klingon and Spock's drunk brother. Then he came back to reality and started singing row-row-row your boat. The camping trip is the only thing that happened, and I refuse to accept anything else in that waste of time was real. The only thing that's changed is now I just see it as that non-descriptive space between TVH and TUC in my box set.
TUC - Very solid finale for the TOS vets. Well-balanced with humor, character engagement, plot, and adventure. Coordinated perfectly to parallel the fall of the USSR, the story was classic Trek. A very close second to Kahn, always!
Gen - At the time it felt like a series finale for the big screen that was trying to follow an absolutely awesome finale for the show that (IMO) can't be topped. Kirk was out of place and the whole story felt like it was trying too hard to force memorable moments (which never happened). The lighting was a step up, but it pissed me of when they recycled footage of the Bird-of-Prey explosion from TUC. I like it even less now.
FC - Loved it, save for the out of place humor. Don't know if that was Frakes or the writing, but it annoys me when they think good humor comes from making a parody of themselves. Still love it.
Ins - At the time I thought it was a solid episode that just happened to be shown in the movie theater - nothing special. But they double-downed on the parody humor, which seems to annoy me more as I get older. At this point it loses me around the time Data says he can be used as a flotation device. It brings me back when Riker and Troi hooks up, but then it loses me again when Riker pulls out the joist stick to steer the ship. Though not as bad, I consider this to be TNG's FF moment.
Nem - I loved it when it came out, and I still like it a lot. It was apparent that they got a director that never had anything to do with Trek. I think that is often the best way to go, since those directors tend to focus less on the perceived demand by fans (who often don't really know what they want) and just focus on making a good movie. I thought the story was original, the acting was solid, the plot progressed and built up evenly, the sense of ending was well-stated but not overbearing, and the battle scene was spectacular - good enough to rival TWoK. And of course, I cried when Data died...
...and I still do.
TMP - Found it boring as a 7-year-old. At 43, it's grown on me over the years (especially the director's edition), but I still think it's duller than it needs to be. The story meanders after the first act.
TWOK - I stayed away from this one in the theaters. "The first one sucked, why should the second one be any better?" I thought. Oh, 10-year-old me, I could kill ya.
I finally saw it when I got the VHS as a Christmas present around '85 or so (Yes, I didn't see it until after I'd seen TSFS). Loved it then, and I still love it now. It's still the only Trek film I've never watched in a movie theater.
TSFS - This was the film that reignited my interest in Star Trek at age 12. After that, there was no going back. Today, I still like it, but it has its flaws.
TVH - This is the original cast film that's fallen in favor the most for me. Great fun the first few times you watch it, but after a while it gets old. I haven't watched it in a few years.
TFF - Hated it at first. Now, I kind of like it as good campy fun, like a goofy third season episode. Shatner's direction isn't bad. He's got some impressive shots in there. I think he would've done a better job if he'd gotten a second chance to direct.
TUC - LOVED it in '91 (sophomore year of college). It instantly became my favorite Trek film. Now it's neck and neck with TWOK. It has some of my favorite-ever Trek moments and is my favorite in terms of art direction/makeup/costuming. I just love the look of it.
GEN - Hated it in '94 and got into a big argument with one of my art school buddies about how crappy & disappointing it was on the car ride back. Now, I think it has its moments (Shatner & Stewart have a nice, surprising chemistry together), but it's not anywhere near as good as it should've been.
FC - A good, fun action movie and the best one the TNG crew made. The last of the original films that I bought on DVD.
INS - Didn't like it much when I saw it in theaters, and I haven't watched it in its entirety since. I've maybe caught a few moments of it on TV. It's like one of those mediocre episodes you end up forgetting about.
After Riker shaved off his beard, I remember fixating on the bags under his eyes for the rest of the movie.
NEM - Didn't like this one very much, either. Like a lot of the Trek films, it was trying WAY too hard to be TWOK and failed badly. I kind of hated them killing off Data and introducing B4. Again, I don't think I ever watched this one a second time, except for a little bit on TV.
In this movie, I fixated on Tom Hardy's lips. They're much thicker than Patrick Stewart's, and I had trouble buying Shinzon as a clone of Picard as a result. They probably would've been better off letting Stewart play a double role.
TWOK - I stayed away from this one in the theaters. "The first one sucked, why should the second one be any better?" I thought. Oh, 10-year-old me, I could kill ya.
I finally saw it when I got the VHS as a Christmas present around '85 or so (Yes, I didn't see it until after I'd seen TSFS). Loved it then, and I still love it now. It's still the only Trek film I've never watched in a movie theater.TSFS - This was the film that reignited my interest in Star Trek at age 12. After that, there was no going back. Today, I still like it, but it has its flaws.
TVH - This is the original cast film that's fallen in favor the most for me. Great fun the first few times you watch it, but after a while it gets old. I haven't watched it in a few years.
TFF - Hated it at first. Now, I kind of like it as good campy fun, like a goofy third season episode. Shatner's direction isn't bad. He's got some impressive shots in there. I think he would've done a better job if he'd gotten a second chance to direct.
TUC - LOVED it in '91 (sophomore year of college). It instantly became my favorite Trek film. Now it's neck and neck with TWOK. It has some of my favorite-ever Trek moments and is my favorite in terms of art direction/makeup/costuming. I just love the look of it.
GEN - Hated it in '94 and got into a big argument with one of my art school buddies about how crappy & disappointing it was on the car ride back. Now, I think it has its moments (Shatner & Stewart have a nice, surprising chemistry together), but it's not anywhere near as good as it should've been.
FC - A good, fun action movie and the best one the TNG crew made. The last of the original films that I bought on DVD.
INS - Didn't like it much when I saw it in theaters, and I haven't watched it in its entirety since. I've maybe caught a few moments of it on TV. It's like one of those mediocre episodes you end up forgetting about.
After Riker shaved off his beard, I remember fixating on the bags under his eyes for the rest of the movie.
NEM - Didn't like this one very much, either. Like a lot of the Trek films, it was trying WAY too hard to be TWOK and failed badly. I kind of hated them killing off Data and introducing B4. Again, I don't think I ever watched this one a second time, except for a little bit on TV.
In this movie, I fixated on Tom Hardy's lips. They're much thicker than Patrick Stewart's, and I had trouble buying Shinzon as a clone of Picard as a result. They probably would've been better off letting Stewart play a double role.
TMP- Saw this in the theater when I was 10 years old. I'd loved watching Trek reruns, and when I saw they were making a movie, I was chomping at the bit. A friend took my mom, my little brother (who gave 10 shits less), and I to go see it opening night. I was blown away. The Enterprise was beautiful. The Klingon opening sequence was riveting. The story was slow, but far from uninteresting.
As a young teen, I would go to the local library media room every Saturday, and reserve time to watch their VHS of Star Trek The Motion Picture. I must have done this at least 30 times. (It was largely my 2 hour break from a broken home...and it was a beautiful respite.)
As an adult, I still love TMP. I didn't see the big letdown that lots of others supposedly did. What I saw was a clear difference in those 10 years between the end of TOS as a first run series, and its revival on the big screen....thank you, George Lucas.
Today, it still remains "the Trek film I've seen the most." It also makes for great background noise when I want to go to sleep.
TWOK- Never got to see this on the big screen. (Thanks a frakking lot, mother mine.) When I did finally get to see it, I loved it, but found it as slow paced as TMP. (I was young, I wanted to get to seeing the starships blasting each other to pieces.) Loved the skirmishes, but also remembered feeling a bit let down. The trailers maide the movie look a lot more exciting than it actually was. Spock's death didn't really rock me to my core. Sad though it was, I didn't break down and cry. (And I sure as fuck didn't cry when E.T.'s life was on the line...which was the movie my mother selected for us to see in lieu of TWOK on the big screen. Because of this, I have vowed to never watch E.T. again until I get my chance to see TWOK on some special return engagement at a big screen somewhere...and I haven't seen that happen anywhere nearby.)
As an adult, I still love this movie, and obviously have a lot more patience for the story. I understood why the space battles were not quite the knockdown dragout I'd hoped for. Spock's death became a bit more meaningful, but still didn't rock me to my core. However, I did hope that it did not mean the end of adventures for Kirk and crew.
TSFS- Jumped out of my seat when this was announced. As a kid, I thought this was a beautiful movie. Kirk and company risking everything to save their fallen friend. Kruge was a badass. The brief skirmish between the Enterprise and the bird of prey was cool....but over too quickly. The Enterprise blowing up was beautiful, and saddening, but again, didn't rock me to my core.
As an adult, I don't watch this movie very often, but I still enjoy it at its core. I can see where they had to cut some corners on effects. (Actually, that was pretty apparent to me as a kid too.) Kruge's still a badass.
TVH- As much as I wanted to see this on the big screen, I'm not really bothered that I didn't see it that way. (I was in high school, close to graduating at this time). When I saw it for the first time on VHS (the first VHS tape I ever bought), I enjoyed it, but I could see why I wasn't overly bothered about missing it on the big screen. The humor was good, the story was good, and it was a nice light hearted romp for the crew, but, the return of the Enterprise didn't really move me all that much. It was kinda like "well, it's gonna happen anyway" and it turned out, it did. Also, I'm more of an action-oriented Star Trek guy. (The only real reason that TMP holds as much weight for me as it did is because it was the return of my heroes...this time to the big screen....so I cut it a lot more slack than its follow ups.)
Many years later, my feelings haven't changed about this movie.
TFF- Saw this in my late teens, fresh out of the Army. I was giddy about this film on first viewing. Lots of action, sadly, no real space battles/skirmishes to speak of. At first, I loved the humor. The story was entertaining enough.
Shortly afterward, on VHS, I saw all the films flaws, and my feelings changed radically. Weak visual effects, forced humor, a farcical chase, toned down Klingons. Still enjoyed it, but with a slightly more critical eye. To this movie's credit, it has some good dramatic moments, and I love the "revisit the horrid past" sequences with Spock and McCoy.
My feelings about it have also not changed since their first revision seeing it on its subsequent VHS release.
TUC- My favorite of the six original crew films. Loved the story. Chang was menacing. Valeris was hot. And, the return of the K't'inga class battlecruiser in an all too short lived (and sadly castrated) return to the big screen. I hate the movie poster for this film because it is so misleading. I wanted to see Kronos One get at least one shot off on the Enterprise...and it didn't even get to do that. Dammit, the poster showed a bird of prey AND a K't'inga kicking the living dogshit out of the Enterprise. (Also, someone who had seen the film before me did say: "Do not expect 'The Wrath of Khan', and you won't be disappointed." Armed with that knowledge, I did indeed thoroughly enjoy the film.) Also, it just seemed like the effects for photon torpedoes were getting cheaper, and it was showing. (Worst torpedo effect is up for grabs between First Contact, Nemesis, TFF, and TUC). At this point, largely because of their overuse in TNG, I was really getting sick of birds of prey, so I was stoked to see the K't'inga's return to the big screen...if only it had returned to form. Yes, for all my bitching, TUC is still my favorite TOS film, just barely edging out TWOK.
Current viewings of the film have not changed my sentiments toward it.
GEN- When I first saw it on the big screen, I was pretty stoked. However, it played like an overblown episode. (A problem I would find with the next two films as well.) The space battle was much better than in previous films, and the Enterprise's parting torpedo shot on the bird of prey was beautiful. (The best I'd seen in years.) Leading up to an underwhelming use of stock footage from the previous film to signal the bird of prey's demise. (A friend of mine had argued before that the producers said that Generations was not going to use one bit of stock footage. I happily proved him wrong in an A/B viewing of TUC and GEN.)
Getting it on VHS, it looked even more like an overblown episode, especially in 4:3 format. (Some friends who had happened to pass by me as I watched the movie would even ask what episode it was.) The letterbox version did little to improve the flavor. My feelings about the movie have not changed much since then.
FC- Big screen initial viewing. Again, the trailers made this look like it was going to be an all out action movie. (Even Jonathan Frakes mistakenly referred to this film as an "all out action movie".) The proof was in the pudding. It was anything but. I'd heard that the space battle was supposed to be at least a good 20 minute, rock 'em, sock 'em starship pornfest, and all we got was a lousy, two minute battle that really wasn't much better than anything I'd seen on TNG. Even the format was the same.... seemingly twenty seconds of battle footage enmeshed in a minute and a half of dialogue, comms, and more dialogue. The Borg looked better, and I somewhat liked the Enterprise E (better than the D, but it still looked like a big, light up toy compared to the refit Enterprise from TOS era) And, the movie blew its wad in the first ten minutes. I enjoyed it, yes, (it had a good story) but it was another overblown episode. Same effect. Looked better on 4:3 than in widescreen. The opening music, whilst beautiful, just didn't set the movie up right for me. If only Jerry had followed Cliff Eidelmann's lead in TUC. Also, I found Troi's drunk scene a bit forced. The only thing that saved it was Riker's final reaction at the end of the scene.
Feelings have not changed with recent viewings, which are few and far between.
INS- Another mislead by trailers, even though I recognized their reuse of FC skirmish footage.. (At this point, the producers had this down to a science, and you'd figured I'd have caught on by this time, but hope sprung eternal...unfortunately, the spring was fed from a septic system.) Saw it on the big screen, and immediately saw it to be just another overblown episode. Even fell asleep for about ten minutes in the middle of it. When I woke up, the Enterprise fired two lousy torpedoes back at the pursuing Son'a ships. This movie was full of television styled skirmishes. Two seconds of footage, and about thirty seconds of dialogue, and crew getting shit blown up in their faces. It was yet another example of how this movie worked better in the 4:3 format instead of 2.35:1.
Feelings have not changed with recent viewings, which are few and far between.
NEM- THIS was the Trek movie I'd waited years for (until ST09 and STID years later...then Nemesis was unseated). From the toe-tapping, up tempo opening, to the destruction of the Scimitar....I was hooked. This finally looked and felt like a big screen movie. Big screen director + Big screen writer + Big screen vision = Big screen movie. Action beats all throughout. (This was far closer to an "all out action movie" than First Contact could ever hope to get.) Picard driving the Argo, armed with aft firing phaser cannon... priceless! The space battle actually was a knockdown, dragout space battle....with multiple ships! I kinda liked the new Warbirds, and the Scimitar was wicked looking. And the combat footage was plentiful, and I saw it was good. The Enterprise ramming the Scimitar was well worth the price of admission! I also thought Tom Hardy as Shinzon was a high point in guest actors to any TNG era Trek film. Despite my love for this film, I also recognize its many flaws...some of which were the result of a little bit of fanboy whimsy by scribe John Logan. But I also knew this was going to kick ass because of Logan's work on Gladiator. (Even the opening sequence when the virtual camera bursts through the clouds over the Romulan capital city reminded me of a short sequence of the overhead of Rome in Gladiator. Nice touch, Stu. ) How in the hell though did the Enterprise E gain five more decks?! She didn't like like she'd put on a pound between the three Ent-E era films. (That'd be Logan's fanboy whimsy at work)
Again, despite all its flaws, which are many, this remains my favorite TNG era film. It works well in widescreen format. The action actually fits the widescreen format, unlike the previous three TNG eps---er--movies. My feelings toward this movie are unchanged, and it gets more repeat views than the prior three TNG eps--er--movies.
As a young teen, I would go to the local library media room every Saturday, and reserve time to watch their VHS of Star Trek The Motion Picture. I must have done this at least 30 times. (It was largely my 2 hour break from a broken home...and it was a beautiful respite.)
As an adult, I still love TMP. I didn't see the big letdown that lots of others supposedly did. What I saw was a clear difference in those 10 years between the end of TOS as a first run series, and its revival on the big screen....thank you, George Lucas.
Today, it still remains "the Trek film I've seen the most." It also makes for great background noise when I want to go to sleep.TWOK- Never got to see this on the big screen. (Thanks a frakking lot, mother mine.) When I did finally get to see it, I loved it, but found it as slow paced as TMP. (I was young, I wanted to get to seeing the starships blasting each other to pieces.) Loved the skirmishes, but also remembered feeling a bit let down. The trailers maide the movie look a lot more exciting than it actually was. Spock's death didn't really rock me to my core. Sad though it was, I didn't break down and cry. (And I sure as fuck didn't cry when E.T.'s life was on the line...which was the movie my mother selected for us to see in lieu of TWOK on the big screen. Because of this, I have vowed to never watch E.T. again until I get my chance to see TWOK on some special return engagement at a big screen somewhere...and I haven't seen that happen anywhere nearby.)
As an adult, I still love this movie, and obviously have a lot more patience for the story. I understood why the space battles were not quite the knockdown dragout I'd hoped for. Spock's death became a bit more meaningful, but still didn't rock me to my core. However, I did hope that it did not mean the end of adventures for Kirk and crew.
TSFS- Jumped out of my seat when this was announced. As a kid, I thought this was a beautiful movie. Kirk and company risking everything to save their fallen friend. Kruge was a badass. The brief skirmish between the Enterprise and the bird of prey was cool....but over too quickly. The Enterprise blowing up was beautiful, and saddening, but again, didn't rock me to my core.
As an adult, I don't watch this movie very often, but I still enjoy it at its core. I can see where they had to cut some corners on effects. (Actually, that was pretty apparent to me as a kid too.) Kruge's still a badass.
TVH- As much as I wanted to see this on the big screen, I'm not really bothered that I didn't see it that way. (I was in high school, close to graduating at this time). When I saw it for the first time on VHS (the first VHS tape I ever bought), I enjoyed it, but I could see why I wasn't overly bothered about missing it on the big screen. The humor was good, the story was good, and it was a nice light hearted romp for the crew, but, the return of the Enterprise didn't really move me all that much. It was kinda like "well, it's gonna happen anyway" and it turned out, it did. Also, I'm more of an action-oriented Star Trek guy. (The only real reason that TMP holds as much weight for me as it did is because it was the return of my heroes...this time to the big screen....so I cut it a lot more slack than its follow ups.)
Many years later, my feelings haven't changed about this movie.
TFF- Saw this in my late teens, fresh out of the Army. I was giddy about this film on first viewing. Lots of action, sadly, no real space battles/skirmishes to speak of. At first, I loved the humor. The story was entertaining enough.
Shortly afterward, on VHS, I saw all the films flaws, and my feelings changed radically. Weak visual effects, forced humor, a farcical chase, toned down Klingons. Still enjoyed it, but with a slightly more critical eye. To this movie's credit, it has some good dramatic moments, and I love the "revisit the horrid past" sequences with Spock and McCoy.
My feelings about it have also not changed since their first revision seeing it on its subsequent VHS release.
TUC- My favorite of the six original crew films. Loved the story. Chang was menacing. Valeris was hot. And, the return of the K't'inga class battlecruiser in an all too short lived (and sadly castrated) return to the big screen. I hate the movie poster for this film because it is so misleading. I wanted to see Kronos One get at least one shot off on the Enterprise...and it didn't even get to do that. Dammit, the poster showed a bird of prey AND a K't'inga kicking the living dogshit out of the Enterprise. (Also, someone who had seen the film before me did say: "Do not expect 'The Wrath of Khan', and you won't be disappointed." Armed with that knowledge, I did indeed thoroughly enjoy the film.) Also, it just seemed like the effects for photon torpedoes were getting cheaper, and it was showing. (Worst torpedo effect is up for grabs between First Contact, Nemesis, TFF, and TUC). At this point, largely because of their overuse in TNG, I was really getting sick of birds of prey, so I was stoked to see the K't'inga's return to the big screen...if only it had returned to form. Yes, for all my bitching, TUC is still my favorite TOS film, just barely edging out TWOK.
Current viewings of the film have not changed my sentiments toward it.
GEN- When I first saw it on the big screen, I was pretty stoked. However, it played like an overblown episode. (A problem I would find with the next two films as well.) The space battle was much better than in previous films, and the Enterprise's parting torpedo shot on the bird of prey was beautiful. (The best I'd seen in years.) Leading up to an underwhelming use of stock footage from the previous film to signal the bird of prey's demise. (A friend of mine had argued before that the producers said that Generations was not going to use one bit of stock footage. I happily proved him wrong in an A/B viewing of TUC and GEN.)
Getting it on VHS, it looked even more like an overblown episode, especially in 4:3 format. (Some friends who had happened to pass by me as I watched the movie would even ask what episode it was.) The letterbox version did little to improve the flavor. My feelings about the movie have not changed much since then.
FC- Big screen initial viewing. Again, the trailers made this look like it was going to be an all out action movie. (Even Jonathan Frakes mistakenly referred to this film as an "all out action movie".) The proof was in the pudding. It was anything but. I'd heard that the space battle was supposed to be at least a good 20 minute, rock 'em, sock 'em starship pornfest, and all we got was a lousy, two minute battle that really wasn't much better than anything I'd seen on TNG. Even the format was the same.... seemingly twenty seconds of battle footage enmeshed in a minute and a half of dialogue, comms, and more dialogue. The Borg looked better, and I somewhat liked the Enterprise E (better than the D, but it still looked like a big, light up toy compared to the refit Enterprise from TOS era) And, the movie blew its wad in the first ten minutes. I enjoyed it, yes, (it had a good story) but it was another overblown episode. Same effect. Looked better on 4:3 than in widescreen. The opening music, whilst beautiful, just didn't set the movie up right for me. If only Jerry had followed Cliff Eidelmann's lead in TUC. Also, I found Troi's drunk scene a bit forced. The only thing that saved it was Riker's final reaction at the end of the scene.
Feelings have not changed with recent viewings, which are few and far between.
INS- Another mislead by trailers, even though I recognized their reuse of FC skirmish footage.. (At this point, the producers had this down to a science, and you'd figured I'd have caught on by this time, but hope sprung eternal...unfortunately, the spring was fed from a septic system.) Saw it on the big screen, and immediately saw it to be just another overblown episode. Even fell asleep for about ten minutes in the middle of it. When I woke up, the Enterprise fired two lousy torpedoes back at the pursuing Son'a ships. This movie was full of television styled skirmishes. Two seconds of footage, and about thirty seconds of dialogue, and crew getting shit blown up in their faces. It was yet another example of how this movie worked better in the 4:3 format instead of 2.35:1.
Feelings have not changed with recent viewings, which are few and far between.
NEM- THIS was the Trek movie I'd waited years for (until ST09 and STID years later...then Nemesis was unseated). From the toe-tapping, up tempo opening, to the destruction of the Scimitar....I was hooked. This finally looked and felt like a big screen movie. Big screen director + Big screen writer + Big screen vision = Big screen movie. Action beats all throughout. (This was far closer to an "all out action movie" than First Contact could ever hope to get.) Picard driving the Argo, armed with aft firing phaser cannon... priceless! The space battle actually was a knockdown, dragout space battle....with multiple ships! I kinda liked the new Warbirds, and the Scimitar was wicked looking. And the combat footage was plentiful, and I saw it was good. The Enterprise ramming the Scimitar was well worth the price of admission! I also thought Tom Hardy as Shinzon was a high point in guest actors to any TNG era Trek film. Despite my love for this film, I also recognize its many flaws...some of which were the result of a little bit of fanboy whimsy by scribe John Logan. But I also knew this was going to kick ass because of Logan's work on Gladiator. (Even the opening sequence when the virtual camera bursts through the clouds over the Romulan capital city reminded me of a short sequence of the overhead of Rome in Gladiator. Nice touch, Stu. ) How in the hell though did the Enterprise E gain five more decks?! She didn't like like she'd put on a pound between the three Ent-E era films. (That'd be Logan's fanboy whimsy at work)
Again, despite all its flaws, which are many, this remains my favorite TNG era film. It works well in widescreen format. The action actually fits the widescreen format, unlike the previous three TNG eps---er--movies. My feelings toward this movie are unchanged, and it gets more repeat views than the prior three TNG eps--er--movies.
Curiously enough, I don't think I evaluate any trek movie differently now than when I first saw it. The ones I liked (or at least which I thought were "good" in some respect) at first sight, I still do like, and the ones I disliked at first sight, I still dislike for the same reasons.
Come to think of it, there's one exception to that, and that's Star Trek 2009 (which belongs to a different subforum, I know). I didn't like the departure from the prime universe -still don't BTW-, and that spoiled my enjoyment of the movie when I saw it first. But when I rewatched it a few years later, I discovered it was quite a nice movie in its own right -- if only you can 'forget' the prime time line and part of the star trek heritage while watching it.
Come to think of it, there's one exception to that, and that's Star Trek 2009 (which belongs to a different subforum, I know). I didn't like the departure from the prime universe -still don't BTW-, and that spoiled my enjoyment of the movie when I saw it first. But when I rewatched it a few years later, I discovered it was quite a nice movie in its own right -- if only you can 'forget' the prime time line and part of the star trek heritage while watching it.
Sounds like he's just a fan who likes the TV series better than the movies.
The only ones where my view on them has significantly changed:
The Wrath of Khan:
I didn't really like it as a kid. I thought it was way too violent, as in every technology and scientific advancement in this film is only used for the purpose of killing each other. In such, it felt way too removed from the tv series I so loved.
That has changed a lot, and I think TWOK is probably one of the best examples of a 'vs.' movie in general, and the character work of this movie is astounding.
I still think the Genesis device is one of the silliest plot devices in all of Star Trek, only dwarfed by 'I destroy suns'-Soran of Generations.
All in all I now think of it as a damn fine movie, about a damn silly plot device (the Genesis device is still stupid, and I think one of the better aspects of Star Trek III is that it puts it to a rest instead of conviniently forgetting about it. Making Star Trek III worse for it, but ultimately doing Star Trek in general a favour...)
Star Trek: First Contact
When I first saw it, my mind was blown! In contrast to Generations, this felt like a real movie. And the Borg were awesome. And the stuff with Cochrane hilarious. And the combination worked!
As of now: I still think it's one of the best Trek movie (certainly the best TNG-era movie). But I don't like the Cochrane stuff that much. I still appreciate it for the characters and the humour. But ultimately, it feels too 'apocalyptic', and doesn't fit into the Trek timeline. The Trek future always seemed like the logical conclusion of our social and technological development. A third world spanning conflict is in the line with that. Total nuclear annihilation not so much...
For the Trek timeline I would much more prefer the Eugenic Wars, religious wars or a 'secret war' (with drones, stealth attacks and assymmetric warfare) as the 'canon' third world war. Not a nuclear war against the 'eastern coalition'...
Star Trek: Insurrection
After first seeing it, I really liked it: It felt like a big movie, had good characters, acceptable action, and actually made you think about it's plot. Then I started to dislike the movie. Because I would have decided radically different than Picard. (Seriously: Just ASK the Ba'ku to leave! If they don't voluntarely leave to benefit billions, they deserve being relocated!)
But this movie has actually gone up in my perception: I think it's biggest flaw comes from not visualizing it's core problem enough. The Ba'ku were just another human-like race, and their planet boring as hell. But imagine! Imagine, the planet was the same planet as in the movie Avatar, and the Ba'ku like the Na'vi. Now the dilemma would be much more complex: You could still save billions. But is it worth destroying this unique culture, planet and wildlife? And suddenly Picard's decision to go rogue and safe this unique place from the suits back on earth, who see it just as a numbers game, is much more identifiable.
So in the end, I think it's biggest weakness comes from not making the Ba'ku (and their would-be-destroyed planet) unique enough. And that could have only been fixed with a significantly higher budget. Apart from that, I think it's a very decent character movie, with some funny moments.
The Wrath of Khan:
I didn't really like it as a kid. I thought it was way too violent, as in every technology and scientific advancement in this film is only used for the purpose of killing each other. In such, it felt way too removed from the tv series I so loved.
That has changed a lot, and I think TWOK is probably one of the best examples of a 'vs.' movie in general, and the character work of this movie is astounding.
I still think the Genesis device is one of the silliest plot devices in all of Star Trek, only dwarfed by 'I destroy suns'-Soran of Generations.
All in all I now think of it as a damn fine movie, about a damn silly plot device (the Genesis device is still stupid, and I think one of the better aspects of Star Trek III is that it puts it to a rest instead of conviniently forgetting about it. Making Star Trek III worse for it, but ultimately doing Star Trek in general a favour...)
Star Trek: First Contact
When I first saw it, my mind was blown! In contrast to Generations, this felt like a real movie. And the Borg were awesome. And the stuff with Cochrane hilarious. And the combination worked!
As of now: I still think it's one of the best Trek movie (certainly the best TNG-era movie). But I don't like the Cochrane stuff that much. I still appreciate it for the characters and the humour. But ultimately, it feels too 'apocalyptic', and doesn't fit into the Trek timeline. The Trek future always seemed like the logical conclusion of our social and technological development. A third world spanning conflict is in the line with that. Total nuclear annihilation not so much...
For the Trek timeline I would much more prefer the Eugenic Wars, religious wars or a 'secret war' (with drones, stealth attacks and assymmetric warfare) as the 'canon' third world war. Not a nuclear war against the 'eastern coalition'...
Star Trek: Insurrection
After first seeing it, I really liked it: It felt like a big movie, had good characters, acceptable action, and actually made you think about it's plot. Then I started to dislike the movie. Because I would have decided radically different than Picard. (Seriously: Just ASK the Ba'ku to leave! If they don't voluntarely leave to benefit billions, they deserve being relocated!)
But this movie has actually gone up in my perception: I think it's biggest flaw comes from not visualizing it's core problem enough. The Ba'ku were just another human-like race, and their planet boring as hell. But imagine! Imagine, the planet was the same planet as in the movie Avatar, and the Ba'ku like the Na'vi. Now the dilemma would be much more complex: You could still save billions. But is it worth destroying this unique culture, planet and wildlife? And suddenly Picard's decision to go rogue and safe this unique place from the suits back on earth, who see it just as a numbers game, is much more identifiable.
So in the end, I think it's biggest weakness comes from not making the Ba'ku (and their would-be-destroyed planet) unique enough. And that could have only been fixed with a significantly higher budget. Apart from that, I think it's a very decent character movie, with some funny moments.
Interesting. I don't know if it's the biggest problem, but the boring space peasants are certainly a major downer.
First Contact - These days I find the Borg action dull. There's not enough atmosphere, not enough feeling of threat. The light comedy on Earth is much more enjoyable.
But still, I think these days I enjoy the TNG movies more than the TOS ones. They look bigger-budget and more polished, with less clunky 80s stuff dragging the tone down.
TMP: I remember reading the cover of the version that came out as a set (Star Trek's one through five); and on the back of TMP it said "Special longer version!" and I remember saying to my Dad, "Yeah, like that movie needs to be any longer." I've since come to appreciate that film far more than those that followed it. TWOK: Love it. Loved the Reliant as a kid and wanted a model of it so badly! Loved the music. So bombastic! Loved it as a kid and do so now as well. It's a product of sharp editing. As are many films of the late-seventies and into the nineties.
TSFS: I don't love it as well now as I did as a child. I used to watch it regularly when I was young, though there were very few films on tape at the time so my options were somewhat limited. I still feel that the scene where the steal the Enterprise is the best of the movie. That and Sulu's rescue scene and Uhura's "Mr. Adventure" scene.
TVH: First Trek film I remember seeing as a child; a big part of my loving it at that time was seeing my Dad's reactions. I remember being frightened by the scenes where the probe was screwing with Earth's oceans. This one still holds up for me to this day and I am able to actually appreciate the humor now.
TFF: The effects looked cheap when I was a kid and they look cheap now. This one didn't wow me as a child. It was just another Trek movie for me as a kid. I like it better now than I did then.
TUC: This is one I asked to go see; I was growing as a trekkie by this time and I remember liking it. These days, I favor watching others over this one.
Generations: Loved it as a kid. I love certain aspects of it now.
First Contact: This was the perfect Trek movie for a teenager! It hit all the right notes and I loved it. I like it now but prefer to watch the older films (TMP; TWOK; TVH). The effects still hold up very well today.
Insurrection: I remember seeing this one in the theater and when it was over I said "I wonder what they'll do for the next one?". It was just another entry in the franchise. But I like this one and appreciate what it has to say.
Nemesis: I liked this one more in the theater than I did upon repeat viewings. It's just "okay".
TMP — I remember enjoying the spectacle but knew the pacing was off. I saw it projected at a campground as a kid for the first time before I was a Trekker and people were excited, but the crowd got sparser as the movie went on. I didn't see it again till years later on TV, then the edited version on VHS, then the widescreen version, finally the Director's Cut seemed to improve the film. Wit the new FX, fixes, it fares better than ever.
TWOK — Watched it so many times there are no surprises. I like the bluray edition. This runs about the same for me today as it did when it was new.
TSFS — I dislike certain things about it, but I like this better now than when i first saw it. High marks for the stealing the Enterprise sequence and music.
TVH — Probably dislike this a bit more than when I saw it, but this was the best experience in a movie theater till possibly ST09. Everybody was on board and got into the film. Still a lot of fun.
TFF — Hate it, Unwatchable these days.
TUC — Possibly suffers worse at the hands of time than any other trek movie. It feels kind of cheap and lethargic.
GEN — Thought it was ok, but disliked it more over time. it simply has more plot holes than any other Trek movie.
FC — I like this about the same, still a very good movie. Second behind STII of the original prime universe.
INS — I was underwhelmed in the movie theater. It's not a bad movie, and I can admire it's locales, cinematography and themes, but it could have been executed better.
NEM — Good movie, and probably improves on viewing more than most movies on this list. The biggest scale Trek film since TMP and until the newer movies.
ST09 - Great movie and shows Star Trek doesn't have to be a TV show to be successful. A REAL cinematic feast for the first time in scale, energy and story. This movie will never age, marking it as possibly the only true classic on this list.
STID - Incredibly rewatchable, with a beautiful picture on bluray. Still too new really change my perception of it.
TWOK — Watched it so many times there are no surprises. I like the bluray edition. This runs about the same for me today as it did when it was new.
TSFS — I dislike certain things about it, but I like this better now than when i first saw it. High marks for the stealing the Enterprise sequence and music.
TVH — Probably dislike this a bit more than when I saw it, but this was the best experience in a movie theater till possibly ST09. Everybody was on board and got into the film. Still a lot of fun.
TFF — Hate it, Unwatchable these days.
TUC — Possibly suffers worse at the hands of time than any other trek movie. It feels kind of cheap and lethargic.
GEN — Thought it was ok, but disliked it more over time. it simply has more plot holes than any other Trek movie.
FC — I like this about the same, still a very good movie. Second behind STII of the original prime universe.
INS — I was underwhelmed in the movie theater. It's not a bad movie, and I can admire it's locales, cinematography and themes, but it could have been executed better.
NEM — Good movie, and probably improves on viewing more than most movies on this list. The biggest scale Trek film since TMP and until the newer movies.
ST09 - Great movie and shows Star Trek doesn't have to be a TV show to be successful. A REAL cinematic feast for the first time in scale, energy and story. This movie will never age, marking it as possibly the only true classic on this list.
STID - Incredibly rewatchable, with a beautiful picture on bluray. Still too new really change my perception of it.
TMP - I didn't find it that entertaining when I watched it as a kid, but I thought the visuals were pretty. Now I realize that it is the finest, greatest and most brilliant two hours ever produced in the history of Trek.
TWOK - I thought it was the best. Now I see all of its flaws and melodrama and don't enjoy it nearly as much as I used to.
TSFS - I thought it was mediocre. Interestingly, I appreciate it more now than I did when I was younger; the character interaction and development, the Klingon language, etc.
TVH - I thought it was really good. Now I can barely stand it.
TFF - Same as TVH.
TUC - I thought it was sheer brilliance. Now I realize how deeply flawed it is, and I can barely stand it.
GEN - I thought it was OK. It felt like a TV episode. I enjoy it less now than I used to.
FC - Same as TUC.
INS - Same as GEN.
NEM - Meh then, meh now.
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TWOK - I thought it was the best. Now I see all of its flaws and melodrama and don't enjoy it nearly as much as I used to.
TSFS - I thought it was mediocre. Interestingly, I appreciate it more now than I did when I was younger; the character interaction and development, the Klingon language, etc.
TVH - I thought it was really good. Now I can barely stand it.
TFF - Same as TVH.
TUC - I thought it was sheer brilliance. Now I realize how deeply flawed it is, and I can barely stand it.
GEN - I thought it was OK. It felt like a TV episode. I enjoy it less now than I used to.
FC - Same as TUC.
INS - Same as GEN.
NEM - Meh then, meh now.
Kor
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That's how I feel about old Trek in general.
That's how I feel about old Trek in general.
TMP- BORING! Although the special effects are quite good. The director's cut is some better, but I still have to fast forward through the boring scenes.
The 2nd and 3rd movies. Loved them, still do.
The Voyage Home. Hands down my favorite. When I got my first dvd player several years ago, it was one of the first dvds that I bought.
The 5th and the 6th. Didn't like them as much. About the same now.
Generations is OK. The Enterprise crashing is one of the best effects shots in any movie that I've seen.
First Contact. I consider it to be the best of TNG films. I like it better now than I did then.
Insurrection is OK.
I don't care too much for Nemesis. Then or now. They killed off my favorite TNG character, Data.
The 2nd and 3rd movies. Loved them, still do.
The Voyage Home. Hands down my favorite. When I got my first dvd player several years ago, it was one of the first dvds that I bought.
The 5th and the 6th. Didn't like them as much. About the same now.
Generations is OK. The Enterprise crashing is one of the best effects shots in any movie that I've seen.
First Contact. I consider it to be the best of TNG films. I like it better now than I did then.
Insurrection is OK.
I don't care too much for Nemesis. Then or now. They killed off my favorite TNG character, Data.
The only ones where my opinions have really changed is FC and NEM.
FC - I still like it, but when I first saw it at 12 years old it was one of my favourite movies. Not so much anymore. I still think it's good, I just no longer think it's great.
NEM- I originally thought this was a 'meh' movie, not great but not terrible. But every time I see it it seems to get worse. Which is strange for me, because usually I find more things to like on rewatches.
I guess you could say TMP has grown on me, in the sense that I can get through it without hitting 'fast forward.' But I still kind-of hate it.
FC - I still like it, but when I first saw it at 12 years old it was one of my favourite movies. Not so much anymore. I still think it's good, I just no longer think it's great.
NEM- I originally thought this was a 'meh' movie, not great but not terrible. But every time I see it it seems to get worse. Which is strange for me, because usually I find more things to like on rewatches.
I guess you could say TMP has grown on me, in the sense that I can get through it without hitting 'fast forward.' But I still kind-of hate it.
I've watched the movies only a couple times each. Except for First Contact, it's been years, so I'm not going to comment on the others. I still like FC, but I don't love it. Never did. The Cochrane story line is a lot of fun. On the other hand, I despise the Borg Queen -- her whole existence, not just her slimy personality. How can a hive mind have a queen?
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TMP- I was only a wee lad of 4 years when this premiered in theaters, but I was already really into Star Trek. When it came on HBO, my parents let me stay up and watch it. I remember I was initially off-put by how different everything (and everyone) was...but I was also in awe of it. Later, as the next few movies came out, TMP became largely forgotten by me. Now, it's absolutely one of my favorite parts of the franchise.
TWOK- Saw this in the theater at age 7 with my dad. Loved it then and still love it now. It was such a contrast to both TMP and TOS that it was fascinating and it really caught my attention. I like it even more now for the character development and tension than just the action and cool color palate.
TSFS- Again, saw this in the theater the summer of 1984 with my dad. I (foolishly) had read the entire plot before seeing the movie, so I kind of spoiled it. That said, I loved it even though I thought the ending Fal Tor Pann ritual was a little slow. I still feel the same now, but I really appreciate this for how different it was at the time, before the "crew going rogue against orders" became a Star Trek cliche. Overall, I think my appreciation for this one has grown. It really is great to the characters and expanded the Trek universe significantly.
TVH- Saw this with some friends in the fall of 1986. I was pretty underwhelmed. "Funny Trek" was never my favorite part of the franchise, and I always liked deep space missions better than "time travel to Earth's past" episodes...so while I thought this was a nice, light film, it didn't capture my imagination the way the previous films had. Today, I like it even less. There's just no re-watch value to it.
TFF- Saw this on opening night in 1989 as a 13-year old and absolutely loved it. It was fun, action-packed, and a return to the feel of adventure out in deep space. I loved the bits with the main characters and the awe of what might lie beyond the Great Barrier was a lot of fun. As an adult now, I see the flaws, but I still love the film. I look at it as probably the most "pure" of all the Star Trek films in terms of the TOS source material. I'd say I love it just the same as then, but for different reasons.
TUC- When I skipped school on opening day to see a the lunchtime premier at the theater, I was sure I was about to see the greatest of all the Star Trek movies. Coming out, I wasn't disappointed even with that high level of expectations. Over time, I think this one has fallen off the most, though. I really can't even make it through without falling asleep. It feels too cheap, sloppy and rushed. The actors didn't seem to be taking it seriously any longer at this point, and there was too much "wink wink" in the performances.
GEN- I liked this a lot when it premiered. Saw this on opening night with a small group of friends, and loved the Kirk/Picard stuff, as well as the great special effects. I remember the saucer crash had me pinned to my theater chair for about 5 minutes straight. Now, I like the movie a lot less. Although I don't hate it, it's just too uneven to really draw my attention as a frequent re-watch.
FC- Saw this with a large group on opening night. I enjoyed it, but I remember being really let down. I thought the scope and scale was small and really disappointing. I thought the ship-board plot was too reminiscent of "Aliens" except with the Borg as the Aliens and Data as Newt. I like it a little more now, especially the character stuff for Picard. The scene between he and Lilly in the observation lounge is one of the best in the franchise.
INS- I knew something was off even just by watching the previews for this one. As it turns out, I TRIED to like this one with a group of friends on opening night. I even saw it again with another group the following weekend. Neither time was I terribly impressed. In fact, I remember being more embarrassed because of some of the people I had dragged along. Now, this is my least-favorite of the Trek movies...I hardly ever watch it.
NEM- Opening night with my (now) wife and another couple. We all really enjoyed it. This was one of my wife's first exposures to Star Trek, and she thought it was great. I remember being really surprised and bummed that it was not well received. I still like it to this day, although probably not as much.
TWOK- Saw this in the theater at age 7 with my dad. Loved it then and still love it now. It was such a contrast to both TMP and TOS that it was fascinating and it really caught my attention. I like it even more now for the character development and tension than just the action and cool color palate.
TSFS- Again, saw this in the theater the summer of 1984 with my dad. I (foolishly) had read the entire plot before seeing the movie, so I kind of spoiled it. That said, I loved it even though I thought the ending Fal Tor Pann ritual was a little slow. I still feel the same now, but I really appreciate this for how different it was at the time, before the "crew going rogue against orders" became a Star Trek cliche. Overall, I think my appreciation for this one has grown. It really is great to the characters and expanded the Trek universe significantly.
TVH- Saw this with some friends in the fall of 1986. I was pretty underwhelmed. "Funny Trek" was never my favorite part of the franchise, and I always liked deep space missions better than "time travel to Earth's past" episodes...so while I thought this was a nice, light film, it didn't capture my imagination the way the previous films had. Today, I like it even less. There's just no re-watch value to it.
TFF- Saw this on opening night in 1989 as a 13-year old and absolutely loved it. It was fun, action-packed, and a return to the feel of adventure out in deep space. I loved the bits with the main characters and the awe of what might lie beyond the Great Barrier was a lot of fun. As an adult now, I see the flaws, but I still love the film. I look at it as probably the most "pure" of all the Star Trek films in terms of the TOS source material. I'd say I love it just the same as then, but for different reasons.
TUC- When I skipped school on opening day to see a the lunchtime premier at the theater, I was sure I was about to see the greatest of all the Star Trek movies. Coming out, I wasn't disappointed even with that high level of expectations. Over time, I think this one has fallen off the most, though. I really can't even make it through without falling asleep. It feels too cheap, sloppy and rushed. The actors didn't seem to be taking it seriously any longer at this point, and there was too much "wink wink" in the performances.
GEN- I liked this a lot when it premiered. Saw this on opening night with a small group of friends, and loved the Kirk/Picard stuff, as well as the great special effects. I remember the saucer crash had me pinned to my theater chair for about 5 minutes straight. Now, I like the movie a lot less. Although I don't hate it, it's just too uneven to really draw my attention as a frequent re-watch.
FC- Saw this with a large group on opening night. I enjoyed it, but I remember being really let down. I thought the scope and scale was small and really disappointing. I thought the ship-board plot was too reminiscent of "Aliens" except with the Borg as the Aliens and Data as Newt. I like it a little more now, especially the character stuff for Picard. The scene between he and Lilly in the observation lounge is one of the best in the franchise.
INS- I knew something was off even just by watching the previews for this one. As it turns out, I TRIED to like this one with a group of friends on opening night. I even saw it again with another group the following weekend. Neither time was I terribly impressed. In fact, I remember being more embarrassed because of some of the people I had dragged along. Now, this is my least-favorite of the Trek movies...I hardly ever watch it.
NEM- Opening night with my (now) wife and another couple. We all really enjoyed it. This was one of my wife's first exposures to Star Trek, and she thought it was great. I remember being really surprised and bummed that it was not well received. I still like it to this day, although probably not as much.
TMP:
When I first saw TMP, I found it to be horrifically boring. Today, I have a greater respect for the film -- especially the Director's Cut, which repairs a good number of the timing issues. I only wish it was available in HD. It was really short sighted of them to update only DVD quality.
TWOK:
I have to admit that this USED to be a favorite of mine, but I've lost a lot of respect for it over the years. It's a fun romp, but with the exception of a few character moments (Spock and McCoy debating Genesis) it doesn't feel like Star Trek to me anymore. The Director's Cut helps a bit in that regard, but when I need my Trek fix, this isn't the movie I pull out anymore.
TSFS:
I think my opinion of this film hasn't changed all that much. Most of the scenes with Kirk and the Enterprise crew are great. Other than that, it's slow and plodding. Robin Curtis plays a crappy Saavik. And I'm not a fan of the stereotypically arrogant and/or idiotic Starfleet captains, two of which appear in this movie.
TVH:
I used to think of this movie as frivilous -- just as a fun and light-hearted adventure. But today it's my favorite of the original films. The whole ensemble got a chance to shine, fantastic character moments throughout, a thoughtful plot, great humor, and a shining new Enterprise at the end.
TFF:
This was the first movie I saw in the theater, so it holds a special place in my heart. But, even still, I have to admit, I wasn't a fan at first. The whole Sybok thing did (and does) annoy me, as does the ship being in a state of disrepair -- complete with doors that don't open. My stand on the film has softened over the years, and I can appreciate it today as a kind of 80th episode of TOS.
TUC:
Like The Wrath of Khan, I loved this movie when I was younger... Also like TWOK, with the exception of a few character moments, it just doesn't feel like Star Trek to me anymore.
GEN:
I hated it when I saw it in the theater, and I hate it today. The only think I like about this film is seeing the Enterprise-D on the big screen (and she looks FANTASTIC). I could go on at length of the many things I dislike, but I wont.
FC:
Like Generations, I had little good to say about this movie when I saw it the first time, and nothing good now. It is decidely NOT Star Trek: The Next Generation.
INS:
Like The Final Frontier, I think of this as a great episode. There were corny moments, and the special effects were crap, but at its heart, this was what Trek is all about.
NEM:
Unlike most people, I actually liked Nemesis. Sure, some of the plot elements (like the B4) were a bit contrived, but it seemed to me a decent -- though not stellar -- addition to the franchise. I think, with a different director, it could have been much better. And I also think if TPTB weren't so moronic as to put it up against LOTR and Harry Potter, it would have made more money.
When I first saw TMP, I found it to be horrifically boring. Today, I have a greater respect for the film -- especially the Director's Cut, which repairs a good number of the timing issues. I only wish it was available in HD. It was really short sighted of them to update only DVD quality.
TWOK:
I have to admit that this USED to be a favorite of mine, but I've lost a lot of respect for it over the years. It's a fun romp, but with the exception of a few character moments (Spock and McCoy debating Genesis) it doesn't feel like Star Trek to me anymore. The Director's Cut helps a bit in that regard, but when I need my Trek fix, this isn't the movie I pull out anymore.
TSFS:
I think my opinion of this film hasn't changed all that much. Most of the scenes with Kirk and the Enterprise crew are great. Other than that, it's slow and plodding. Robin Curtis plays a crappy Saavik. And I'm not a fan of the stereotypically arrogant and/or idiotic Starfleet captains, two of which appear in this movie.
TVH:
I used to think of this movie as frivilous -- just as a fun and light-hearted adventure. But today it's my favorite of the original films. The whole ensemble got a chance to shine, fantastic character moments throughout, a thoughtful plot, great humor, and a shining new Enterprise at the end.
TFF:
This was the first movie I saw in the theater, so it holds a special place in my heart. But, even still, I have to admit, I wasn't a fan at first. The whole Sybok thing did (and does) annoy me, as does the ship being in a state of disrepair -- complete with doors that don't open. My stand on the film has softened over the years, and I can appreciate it today as a kind of 80th episode of TOS.
TUC:
Like The Wrath of Khan, I loved this movie when I was younger... Also like TWOK, with the exception of a few character moments, it just doesn't feel like Star Trek to me anymore.
GEN:
I hated it when I saw it in the theater, and I hate it today. The only think I like about this film is seeing the Enterprise-D on the big screen (and she looks FANTASTIC). I could go on at length of the many things I dislike, but I wont.
FC:
Like Generations, I had little good to say about this movie when I saw it the first time, and nothing good now. It is decidely NOT Star Trek: The Next Generation.
INS:
Like The Final Frontier, I think of this as a great episode. There were corny moments, and the special effects were crap, but at its heart, this was what Trek is all about.
NEM:
Unlike most people, I actually liked Nemesis. Sure, some of the plot elements (like the B4) were a bit contrived, but it seemed to me a decent -- though not stellar -- addition to the franchise. I think, with a different director, it could have been much better. And I also think if TPTB weren't so moronic as to put it up against LOTR and Harry Potter, it would have made more money.
