Oh, I know they're only saying these bad things about Chakotay to shake my indomitable spirit! I shall be avenged as I may ...
How Do You Feel About Chakotay?
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Expectation is a bitch, huh?
Wouldn't it save more time if everyone just got together at once?
Bam!
I'm confused were we predicted to be negative but it went in all directions insteadAw i see. You wanted a scorched earth thread. Sorry to 'disappoint'.
This darn fan base we belong to!
If Chakotay is given an episode (like "Nemesis") where he can really shine, then I have no problem with him whatsoever.
In fact I'd go so far as to say that "Nemesis" is one of my favorite episodes of ANY Trek series. Beltran really knocks it out of the park.
A lot of the complaints about his acting, or lack thereof, really can just be attributed to a shitty script.
In fact I'd go so far as to say that "Nemesis" is one of my favorite episodes of ANY Trek series. Beltran really knocks it out of the park.
A lot of the complaints about his acting, or lack thereof, really can just be attributed to a shitty script.
'Nemesis' rates well his fans. I actually like 'Shattered' for the adventure. I remember reading something on Memory Alpha about Beltran as an actor. From Future's End with Ed Begley, Jr. Like he wasn't underestimated or unknown as an actor by his peers -
- Years previous to appearing here, Begley had twice acted alongside Chakotay actor Robert Beltran – namely, in the movies Eating Raoul and Scenes from the Class Struggle in Beverly Hills.
- On the other hand, Ed Begley was initially unfamiliar with Janeway actress Kate Mulgrew. "I didn't know Kate Mulgrew before doing the shows," he noted.
And the shitty scripts can be attributed to his attitude
Assuming I understand correctly, which I may not since your comment was short, but-
I disagree in principle... if the writers purposely wrote crappy scripts in a reactive manner because one of the actors complained, then that's on the writers. They were under their own control, not Beltran's. Same as the people I manage are their own people who cried to the union rep when I assigned them new job duties last year. Too bad, so sad. I'm not going to give them terrible job duties like swabbing toilets just because they're insolent. Instead, I met with them to discuss the negative behavior and how it impacts the work atmosphere and others, so it doesn't continue. And that worked wonders...now I have compliant, reasonable people working under me instead of disrespectful slackers.
The TV series is different than my job, but it's still a job. And fighting fire with fire usually doesn't work and propagates negativity. IMHO.
The story i always heard was that one of the high ups disliked beltran. So Beltran didn't get the best material, then beltran would complain and would get less, and complain even more and so on. It was a cycle
Personally I thought he had a great smile.
My point exactly... it became a cycle since the higher up guy was juvenile enough to react via the writing instead of not letting his personal dig affect his work.
Look at Mulgrew and Ryan: they apparently didn't get along at all on set, from what I've heard, but neither let it affect their performances. They were two of the best characters on the show because they didn't let their personal feelings get in the way of objectively doing their jobs (and, yes, they had good writing for their characters, but which comes first the proverbial chicken or the egg?).
According to what I read its clear what came first. Beltran complained after he, and other actors, were given vertually no material so three other actors/actresses could be given a whole lot more. His argument was that an ensemble cast deserved fair treatment. It doesn't excuse some of his behavior on set but it is clear he did not start the feud.
As for Mulgrew/Ryan their problems definitely showed on screen, at least for me. I had no idea of the back stage nastiness on Mullgew's part until recently but, since the show first aired, i felt the scenes with Mulgrew and Ryan were off. I personally thought 7 and Janeway had zero chemistry and I never enjoyed their scenes together. The conflict between them was well written, but the intensity of dislike seemed off the charts. Even when they were getting along, the tension remained. I never understood it. I found out all these years later why. Mulgrew was extremely unprofessional, more so than Beltran, but she was not 'punished' because she was the first female captain and they couldn't. She clearly used that to her advantage.
As for Mulgrew/Ryan their problems definitely showed on screen, at least for me. I had no idea of the back stage nastiness on Mullgew's part until recently but, since the show first aired, i felt the scenes with Mulgrew and Ryan were off. I personally thought 7 and Janeway had zero chemistry and I never enjoyed their scenes together. The conflict between them was well written, but the intensity of dislike seemed off the charts. Even when they were getting along, the tension remained. I never understood it. I found out all these years later why. Mulgrew was extremely unprofessional, more so than Beltran, but she was not 'punished' because she was the first female captain and they couldn't. She clearly used that to her advantage.
Interestingly, I feel the exact opposite regarding the scenes between J and 7, and I also didn't know about the behind the scenes stuff until after I saw the series. I did hear/read about the nastiness from Mulgrew though... FWIW maybe they were both able to channel some of the animosity into characters that were, initially, supposed to have rough edges with each other. A lot of this is subjective since it's how a movie or series hits a person as an art form.
The piece you posted about Beltran just further clinches my opinion in that area though... for better or worse. I wonder if the executive referenced by Sophie disliked Beltran because of how he reacted to the writing changes or if he disliked Beltran prior to that.
Most of this stuff boils down to office politics I guess, which blows no matter which way you slice it.
I felt the oposite. I didn't hear about them not getting along until after Voyager was off the air and I remember having a hard time beliveing it because of their on screen chemistry.
nobody can say for sure what happened behind the scenes and I don't know how accurate what I've heard is though I've read it several places....Beltran early on started complaining when he wasn't given lots of lines. He felt as the first officer he should be much more prominent. Since he wasn't given that he started complaining, which lead to him getting even less...and so on.
Also...I honestly don't care what happened behind the scenes. It bothers me a little if an actor was public about badmouthing the show and then continued to work there and still does conventions to this day and badmouths the show. I think that is very unprofessional and should not be done in any job. I don't care if he hated his job, when you're at work you act a certain way. (and yes, interviews and conventions are still "work" for actors)
I always felt 7 and Janeway's 'I hate you' scenes were powerful stuff. I remember in Latent Image when 7 argues against rebooting the doctor that that was bang on material. Same with them playing Velocity. That antagonism was great. Their 'I love you' scenes were flat. In The Voyager Conspiracy it felt like Janeway was reading lines, just no emotional impact for me.
I should add I am a character fan, not an actor fan. I personally steer clear of that stuff but it's all over this site so I guess I've been informed. Lol
I'm just thankful I knew nothing until recently because I can still enjoy Janeway, 7 and Chakotay without being tainted by behaviour off the screen.
However i will say actors/actresses can dish a show/series they are in all they want and I don't really care but critizing fellow performers crosses the line for me. Beltran, to the best of my knowledge, criticizes the show and some fandoms. He has only ever said positive things about his cast mates. In fact he is still apparently close to the other male performers. Mulgrew, not so tactful. Its a shame but I understand it. She felt betrayed when 7 was added. Doesn't excuse her actions, but now I get it just like I understand the frustration Beltran felt. It won't affect my affection for Janeway, my favorite captain or Chakotay, my favorite first officer. In fact I like them better than their counterparts on TNG.
I should add I am a character fan, not an actor fan. I personally steer clear of that stuff but it's all over this site so I guess I've been informed. Lol
I'm just thankful I knew nothing until recently because I can still enjoy Janeway, 7 and Chakotay without being tainted by behaviour off the screen.
However i will say actors/actresses can dish a show/series they are in all they want and I don't really care but critizing fellow performers crosses the line for me. Beltran, to the best of my knowledge, criticizes the show and some fandoms. He has only ever said positive things about his cast mates. In fact he is still apparently close to the other male performers. Mulgrew, not so tactful. Its a shame but I understand it. She felt betrayed when 7 was added. Doesn't excuse her actions, but now I get it just like I understand the frustration Beltran felt. It won't affect my affection for Janeway, my favorite captain or Chakotay, my favorite first officer. In fact I like them better than their counterparts on TNG.
Have you heard Mulgrew badmouth actors? I've seen her a lot at conventions and read lots of interviews and convention transcripts. I've only ever seen/read her be professional.
I've heard her say bad things about Ryan, about her being late to set and therefore unprofessional. She has said unpleasant things about Beltran.
I should add she can say whatever she wants. I'm not a censor cop. Lol However I personally dislike it.
I should add she can say whatever she wants. I'm not a censor cop. Lol However I personally dislike it.
I demand satisfaction ...!!!
That's too bad if she did 
that's unprofessional.
that's unprofessional.Similar threads
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