how do you account for all of the numerous canon violations in this show?

[Butters]

Quoting Icheb word-for-word:

"Finally, in the year 2270, Kirk completed his historic five-year mission and one of the greatest chapters in Starfleet History came to a close."

Bam! End of story.

Icheb is a smart, studious, thorough kid. If it was longer or shorter than five years, he would've said so right there. That's good enough for me. If it's not good enough for anyone else, then I don't know what to tell you.

Five year mission. Like the nine pieces of eight.

Would he have said Four year, eleven months, eighteen days, fourteen hours and twenty seven minute mission if it wasn’t exactly five years?

Kirk completed his five mission, it’s never established how long it took!

 

[guyute03]

*opens thread*

*immediately closes thread*

 

[Lord Garth]

Five year mission. Like the nine pieces of eight.

Would he have said Four year, eleven months, eighteen days, fourteen hours and twenty seven minute mission if it wasn’t exactly five years?

Kirk completed his five mission, it’s never established how long it took!

"Try to be a sport, Seven. Game's over." I'm all set. Someone else can take this up from here if they want to.

 

[Butters]

See the post I made immediately afterwards, when when I checked the episode.

But, yes, in general this point is very valid.

Sorry, which post? Getting lost in edits.

 

[Lord Garth]

Sorry, which post? Getting lost in edits.

Post #37.

I'll quote it here too.

Quoting Icheb word-for-word:

"Finally, in the year 2270, Kirk completed his historic five-year mission and one of the greatest chapters in Starfleet History came to a close."

Bam! End of story.

Icheb is a smart, studious, thorough kid. If it was longer or shorter than five years, he would've said so right there. That's good enough for me. If it's not good enough for anyone else, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Five year mission. Like the nine pieces of eight.

Would he have said Four year, eleven months, eighteen days, fourteen hours and twenty seven minute mission if it wasn’t exactly five years?

Kirk completed his five mission, it’s never established how long it took!

It's the military, if you're deployed for five years, it's five years unless something happens.

 

[Hythlodeus]

It's the military, if you're deployed for five years, it's five years unless something happens.

hmmm... a lot happened during that 5 year mission

 

[Butters]

Post #37.

I'll quote it here too.

It's the military, if you're deployed for five years, it's five years unless something happens.

I know it’s just splitting hairs, but.

 

[Nerys Myk]

hmmm... a lot happened during that 5 year mission

Well they weren't sent to the other side of the galaxy and forced to take the long way home or captured by hostiles and imprisoned for a decades. So I'm thinking nothing that prevented them from getting home on time.

 

[Captain Killy]

they say it takes in the prime universe but there have been so many things that have gone against established canon that it makes star trek: enterprise look like child's play.

yes, im a huge nerd and these things bother me.

please tell me that in the end this is all going to make sense somehow.

I’ve been watching the show. And so far nothing I’ve seen presented in show has violated established canon at all. So I’m curious what canon violations are you speaking of, cuz AFAIK there haven’t been any.

Visually sure, the show is a departure, but as far as established facts/history nothing has really been contradicted.

 

[Lord Garth FOI]

Cause it’s a soft reboot
But
Shatner is still Kirk
Nimoy is still Spock
Kelley is McCoy
All good

 

[Tuskin38]

I’m watching on Netflix, so Im not including the extras because I haven’t seen them

I was talking about Star Trek on the whole there not just Discovery.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

We have seen teo retcons that tie in eith ENT, no actual real violations.

 

[Lord Garth]

I must say this is far tamer than anything I would've seen about 15 years ago.

 

[Refuge]

please tell me that in the end this is all going to make sense somehow.

How long have you got??

Just tell yourself that if something doesn't make sense it doesn't have to. Discovery will just jump into another universe and leave all those silly loose ends and plot holes in its wake

 

[cultcross]

That's a fun list.

15: No mutiny on a starship.
- Spock himself mutinied before making that claim, so apparently it's yet another Vulcan lie.
14. Site-to-site transporting is bad.
- No, it isn't. Nobody ever said it would be; the list simply misquotes.
13. Spock isn't allowed to have secret relatives.
- He always has, incuding his mom and dad. Live with it.
12.Klingons are different.
- This is news in Star Trek how? Being different is what defines the Klingons.
11. More than 12 ships in Starfleet.
- Really? There aren't more than 12 Constitutions in that picture, so what's your complaint? (And even if there were, Starfleet loses an average 1.5 Constitutions annually, and this is a decade before Kirk suggests the figure.)
10. Everybody wears the arrowhead.
- Just as in TOS, TAS, TNG, all the movies, and even ENT. And of these, only the last must count as a costuming mistake!
9. Pike is a hero.
- The only one on that list whose heroics (previous to the publication date of the list) we are aware of is ol' Nat Archer. He saved the Earth from the Xindi and did some exploring. Pike has already saved the Earth from the Talosians and now only needs to do some exploring...
8. Klingons have cloaks.
- Ever since 2151. So? Everybody and his Pakled cousin has those.
7. Organia exists.
- It would be odd if it didn't. Nobody need worry about Organians - they're this bunch of medieval nobodies, pushovers who happen to live on strategically interesting turf. They probably get conquered all the time, and don't really mind. Although it's another misquote anyway - nothing about "Organia being conquered" in episode 7.
6. Tribble behaves like they did in their titular episode.
- That is, it doesn't breed like mad, and nobody suspects it's capable of that, so people buy them as pets. And it doesn't scream at people whom a tricorder identifies as human.
5. A logo is too early.
- Riiiiight.
4. Genetic manipulation is no longer a taboo.
- Except a main character is a criminal for going forth with it.
3. There's a holodeck on this ship.
- And on Kirk's (well, Pike's) ship, too. Nobody ever claimed those were new when they, well, were ("Practical Joker" or "Encounter at Farpoint").
2. No Andorians and Tellarites.
- Except on screen.
1. The mystery of the spore drive.
- Is what this show is all about.

I'm rather looking forward to the next edition, hoping it goes up to 25 at least.

Timo Saloniemi

This. There's little on that list that isn't either easily explained away, based on assumptions, or is something that has already been done before (like Klingon changes, or the Delta-for-everybody). Discovery is visually updated, there's no denying that, but that's about it as far as true 'canon violations' go, and that was a given for a prequel made 50 years later - it was also true of ENT.

I've been re-watching early TOS, and the inconsistency in terminology, uniform and background information is rampant - it takes almost the whole first season for them to decide who they even work for. If Discovery 'breaks with TOS continuity', a good follow-up question is 'which one?'

 

[Tuskin38]

How long have you got??

Almost everything you could possibly say can probably be countered.

Emphasized almost because obviously not everything can, I won't pretend that.

 

[Spot261]

they say it takes in the prime universe but there have been so many things that have gone against established canon that it makes star trek: enterprise look like child's play.

yes, im a huge nerd and these things bother me.

please tell me that in the end this is all going to make sense somehow.

If "canon violations" bother you that much, you're into the wrong franchise. Sorry to be blunt.

 

[Refuge]

Almost everything you could possibly say can probably be countered.

Emphasized almost because obviously not everything can, I won't pretend that.

You don't have to be an analyst of Trek canon to see how poorly Discovery is fitting into the timeline. Be interesting to see how the writers try and merge it into TOS.

 

[Hythlodeus]

not being an analyst of Trek canon propably helps to imagine it fits poorly, I agree