Except parts of Season 1 also take place in 2265 and 2266
I don't think TOS' timeline was ever meant to be examined lmao.
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Oh this kind of lines up with Icheb's report.
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how do you account for all of the numerous canon violations in this show?
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Except parts of Season 1 also take place in 2265 and 2266
I don't think TOS' timeline was ever meant to be examined lmao.
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Oh this kind of lines up with Icheb's report.
That's a fun list.
15: No mutiny on a starship.
- Spock himself mutinied before making that claim, so apparently it's yet another Vulcan lie.
14. Site-to-site transporting is bad.
- No, it isn't. Nobody ever said it would be; the list simply misquotes.
13. Spock isn't allowed to have secret relatives.
- He always has, incuding his mom and dad. Live with it.
12.Klingons are different.
- This is news in Star Trek how? Being different is what defines the Klingons.
11. More than 12 ships in Starfleet.
- Really? There aren't more than 12 Constitutions in that picture, so what's your complaint? (And even if there were, Starfleet loses an average 1.5 Constitutions annually, and this is a decade before Kirk suggests the figure.)
10. Everybody wears the arrowhead.
- Just as in TOS, TAS, TNG, all the movies, and even ENT. And of these, only the last must count as a costuming mistake!
9. Pike is a hero.
- The only one on that list whose heroics (previous to the publication date of the list) we are aware of is ol' Nat Archer. He saved the Earth from the Xindi and did some exploring. Pike has already saved the Earth from the Talosians and now only needs to do some exploring...
8. Klingons have cloaks.
- Ever since 2151. So? Everybody and his Pakled cousin has those.
7. Organia exists.
- It would be odd if it didn't. Nobody need worry about Organians - they're this bunch of medieval nobodies, pushovers who happen to live on strategically interesting turf. They probably get conquered all the time, and don't really mind. Although it's another misquote anyway - nothing about "Organia being conquered" in episode 7.
6. Tribble behaves like they did in their titular episode.
- That is, it doesn't breed like mad, and nobody suspects it's capable of that, so people buy them as pets. And it doesn't scream at people whom a tricorder identifies as human.
5. A logo is too early.
- Riiiiight.
4. Genetic manipulation is no longer a taboo.
- Except a main character is a criminal for going forth with it.
3. There's a holodeck on this ship.
- And on Kirk's (well, Pike's) ship, too. Nobody ever claimed those were new when they, well, were ("Practical Joker" or "Encounter at Farpoint").
2. No Andorians and Tellarites.
- Except on screen.
1. The mystery of the spore drive.
- Is what this show is all about.
I'm rather looking forward to the next edition, hoping it goes up to 25 at least.
Timo Saloniemi
15: No mutiny on a starship.
- Spock himself mutinied before making that claim, so apparently it's yet another Vulcan lie.
14. Site-to-site transporting is bad.
- No, it isn't. Nobody ever said it would be; the list simply misquotes.
13. Spock isn't allowed to have secret relatives.
- He always has, incuding his mom and dad. Live with it.
12.Klingons are different.
- This is news in Star Trek how? Being different is what defines the Klingons.
11. More than 12 ships in Starfleet.
- Really? There aren't more than 12 Constitutions in that picture, so what's your complaint? (And even if there were, Starfleet loses an average 1.5 Constitutions annually, and this is a decade before Kirk suggests the figure.)
10. Everybody wears the arrowhead.
- Just as in TOS, TAS, TNG, all the movies, and even ENT. And of these, only the last must count as a costuming mistake!
9. Pike is a hero.
- The only one on that list whose heroics (previous to the publication date of the list) we are aware of is ol' Nat Archer. He saved the Earth from the Xindi and did some exploring. Pike has already saved the Earth from the Talosians and now only needs to do some exploring...
8. Klingons have cloaks.
- Ever since 2151. So? Everybody and his Pakled cousin has those.
7. Organia exists.
- It would be odd if it didn't. Nobody need worry about Organians - they're this bunch of medieval nobodies, pushovers who happen to live on strategically interesting turf. They probably get conquered all the time, and don't really mind. Although it's another misquote anyway - nothing about "Organia being conquered" in episode 7.
6. Tribble behaves like they did in their titular episode.
- That is, it doesn't breed like mad, and nobody suspects it's capable of that, so people buy them as pets. And it doesn't scream at people whom a tricorder identifies as human.
5. A logo is too early.
- Riiiiight.
4. Genetic manipulation is no longer a taboo.
- Except a main character is a criminal for going forth with it.
3. There's a holodeck on this ship.
- And on Kirk's (well, Pike's) ship, too. Nobody ever claimed those were new when they, well, were ("Practical Joker" or "Encounter at Farpoint").
2. No Andorians and Tellarites.
- Except on screen.
1. The mystery of the spore drive.
- Is what this show is all about.
I'm rather looking forward to the next edition, hoping it goes up to 25 at least.
Timo Saloniemi
listen.
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i have no life. star trek is my life.
Obvs
When did the Klingons have cloaks in Enterprise?
We've also never seen Tyler and the Tribble in the same room together, the tribble also vanishes from Lorca's ready room from time to time.
A Klingon got tech from the Xyrillians in "Unexpected", and if he didn't get cloaking tech, then he obviously didn't see novelty value in it!
OTOH, the Sulibans had cloaking tech at that time, and everybody seems to have captured some Sulibans as of 2151.
Timo Saloniemi
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The writers will need to put that date in a script if it’s to be considered canon.
I’ll take Spock’s figures but anyone else’s are prone to rounding errors, misremembered or basically being made up on the spot.
When calculating years, a colloquial year can be less or more than 12 months, enough to put the final figure in doubt. There’s nothing to say one season = one year, we don’t even know that the five year mission lasted for five years. It could have been end six months early or extended for two years.
No they don't.
Number 15 is wrong as we see a mutiny or two in TOS it's self. I guess Spock forgot, which is amazing since he was the central figure in the mutinies.
Number 14 is disproved by it's own information.
Number 13 is also not a canon violation. Adding a relative to a characters backstory only violates continuity if continuity has previously established the relative doesn't exist. Spock's notorious for relatives popping up out of the blue: Sarek, Amanda and Sybok. Even Saavik to some extent.
Number 12. Has this writer ever seen a Klingon or watched Star Trek? Klingon honor is a joke. The make works with how the Klingon look has evolved since TMP. The baldness is the only radical departure.
Number 11 We see one type of Starfleet ship in TOS. but I doubt that's the only starship design in the entire fleet. By the movies we see addition designs. So no, the Connies aren't the only "starships" out there.
Number 10 Nope, We see the insigna on non-Enterprise personnel in TOS. The other insignia were a production error.
Number 09. We don't know anything about PIke's career outside the Cage/Menagerie. So who knows what things he's done. The writer's really grasping to hit the magic 15.
Number 08. No it's not been "said time and again that the Klingons didn’t acquire cloaking technology until after the Romulans." At least not by anyone writing the show.
Number 07. Nope. Kirk and Spock are well aware of Organia at the start of "Errand of Mercy". What they don't know is the Organians are godlike non-corporeal beings.
Number 06. Is the tribble alive? I don't recall it moving.
Number 05. More grasping at straws. Why is this so high on the list?
Number 04. Yeah, I think Stamets and Lorca know they did a "bad thing". No really a canon violation. One of the reason we know about the ban is from characters defying the ban.
Number 03. Haha, They even mention the holodeck in all but name from TAS. It's pretty obvious the DISCO version is not the "can't be distinguished from reality type" introduced in TNG.
Number 02. Another grasp. The Andorians and the Tellerites are barely present in TOS-VOY, why is this an issue?
Number 01. The Spore Drive. As discussed ad nauseam here and probably elsewhere, it's another in a long list of tech buried and forgotten in Star Trek. The whole "never mention in future shows" is disingenuous. Well duh, it's being written decades later!
But we don't know if we saw all five years. Certainly it doesn't appear as if a TOS season would be one year long, as there's a full three years between "Errand of Mercy" and "Day of the Dove" already...
In any case, DSC isn't at risk of contradicting timeline specifics. Basically nothing is happening in the 2250s that they would have to mind; they have cleared the Pike hurdle already, by being post-"The Cage".
Timo Saloniemi
In any case, DSC isn't at risk of contradicting timeline specifics. Basically nothing is happening in the 2250s that they would have to mind; they have cleared the Pike hurdle already, by being post-"The Cage".
Timo Saloniemi
Then I guess Discovery isn't Prime, it wasn't in the script.
There are quite a lot of commonly accepted facts we have for the shows that came from BTS info and not the script itself.
Technically true but, short of that ever being said, I tend to go with what would've happened in the absence of anything indicating it would be any different.
But now I'm going to have to put on the beginning of "Q2"...
Quoting Icheb word-for-word:
"Finally, in the year 2270, Kirk completed his historic five-year mission and one of the greatest chapters in Starfleet History came to a close."
Bam! End of story.
Icheb is a smart, studious, thorough kid. If it was longer or shorter than five years, he would've said so right there. That's good enough for me. If it's not good enough for anyone else, then I don't know what to tell you.
"Finally, in the year 2270, Kirk completed his historic five-year mission and one of the greatest chapters in Starfleet History came to a close."
Bam! End of story.
Icheb is a smart, studious, thorough kid. If it was longer or shorter than five years, he would've said so right there. That's good enough for me. If it's not good enough for anyone else, then I don't know what to tell you.
You're on a board full of "huge nerds" some of whom are bothered by what they perceive as canon violations, whether they can be justified, explained, rebutted or not. The process I suggest in order to deal with these situations is, get over it.
I’m watching on Netflix, so Im not including the extras because I haven’t seen them. And it’s the script that counts. The TOS timeframe was deliberately ambiguous, now fans are splitting hairs over inferred dates calculated from dialogue spoken a quarter century and three series later.
It needs to be in the script and shown on screen to matter.
Just pointing out that the assumptions we made can be completely destroyed if a new writer fills in some blanks we thought we’d accounted for.
See the post I made immediately afterwards, when when I checked the episode.
But, yes, in general this point is very valid.
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