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How do so many people know about the Time War? (Spoilers)

therefore the whole new series, is seriously flawed.

:lol::lol:

We get it you don't like it move on.

Actually I have found the show to be very enjoyable in the past. I've just finally started to really take notice of the inherent errors in the general plotline, something a lot of other people don't seem to see or want to think about.
 
therefore the whole new series, is seriously flawed.

:lol::lol:

We get it you don't like it move on.

Actually I have found the show to be very enjoyable in the past. I've just finally started to really take notice of the inherent errors in the general plotline, something a lot of other people don't seem to see or want to think about.


Doctor Who has never made any sense if you think about it for more than a couple of minutes! That's never been the point!
 
therefore the whole new series, is seriously flawed.

:lol::lol:

We get it you don't like it move on.

Actually I have found the show to be very enjoyable in the past. I've just finally started to really take notice of the inherent errors in the general plotline, something a lot of other people don't seem to see or want to think about.

The show since the 60's has been on the thinnest line of general plots but its a silly stupid SCI FI and thats why millions love it.
 
Let's be honest here: The entire premise of the Time War/post-Gallifreyan era, and therefore the whole new series, is seriously flawed.
Not really.

The flaw is in limiting your thinking to only four dimensions. The phenomena has been referenced before. It is due to "relative time", a higher kind of time that the Time Lords operate from. Their level of time affects our past, present and future all at once. Except for when they operate within the confines of our perception of reality.

The crack is a hole in reality. Outside of it is the void. Yes, that same void the Daleks and Cybermen came through in series 3.

I could go on and try to explain to all of you the higher levels of time and of reality itself, something my best friend and I have spent considerable time working out. But since most people have trouble merely understanding basic time travel, higher reality mechanics could make their heads explode. And I don't want that on my conscience.
 
Ok, so why didn't the Time Lords from before the War show up during Father's Day and other moments in the new series where time went all pear-shaped? We know they still exist, as the Tenth Doctor met his fifth self in Time Crash.

As I theorized above, the Time Lords have been erased from history, with only the Doctor and the Master surviving past the time lock.

Let's be honest here: The entire premise of the Time War/post-Gallifreyan era, and therefore the whole new series, is seriously flawed.

If it bothers you that much: Wibbly wobbly timey wimey. The Time Lords are gone and that's all you need to know.
 
Ok, so why didn't the Time Lords from before the War show up during Father's Day and other moments in the new series where time went all pear-shaped? We know they still exist, as the Tenth Doctor met his fifth self in Time Crash.

As I theorized above, the Time Lords have been erased from history, with only the Doctor and the Master surviving past the time lock.

Which would be fine if so many people didn't have memories of Gallifrey and the Time Lords. If they never existed, neither would those memories. Simple as.

Besides, the Queen Racnoss in The Runaway Bride remembered the Time Lords destroying her race, something that would not have happened had they never existed. They also stopped the Fendahl and the Great Vampires.
 
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Ok, so why didn't the Time Lords from before the War show up during Father's Day and other moments in the new series where time went all pear-shaped? We know they still exist, as the Tenth Doctor met his fifth self in Time Crash.

As I theorized above, the Time Lords have been erased from history, with only the Doctor and the Master surviving past the time lock.

Which would be fine if so many people didn't have memories of Gallifrey and the Time Lords. If they never existed, neither would those memories.

Not if those species have time travel technology. As the Doctor noted in "Flesh and Stone," possessing temporal technology or even traveling through time changes an individual's perception of the past, apparently protecting their memories from temporal re-writes.
 
As I theorized above, the Time Lords have been erased from history, with only the Doctor and the Master surviving past the time lock.

Which would be fine if so many people didn't have memories of Gallifrey and the Time Lords. If they never existed, neither would those memories.

Not if those species have time travel technology. As the Doctor noted in "Flesh and Stone," possessing temporal technology or even traveling through time changes an individual's perception of the past, apparently protecting their memories from temporal re-writes.

The Sontarans do not possess time travel technology. Neither do the Racnoss, or the Krillitanes.

Was it ever really necessary to kill off the Time Lords in the first place? RTD should have realised what a huge can of worms he was opening up when he created all this Time War nonsense.
 
The Time Lords are not dead, they're time-locked so they can't affect the universe any more. That's the equivalent of dead to someone outside the time-lock.

The crack, I believe that the explosion that caused it was the Doctor and the Tardis when he held in the regen energy for as long as he could and blew up/out the Tardis. They Vortex containment was compromised and caused the crack. I wouldn't be surprised if they find the exact crack on the box/whatever Rose opened that contains the Vortex and that crack manifests itself thru out time, maybe only where ever the Doctor/Tardis shows up.
 
Which would be fine if so many people didn't have memories of Gallifrey and the Time Lords. If they never existed, neither would those memories.

Not if those species have time travel technology. As the Doctor noted in "Flesh and Stone," possessing temporal technology or even traveling through time changes an individual's perception of the past, apparently protecting their memories from temporal re-writes.

The Sontarans do not possess time travel technology.

Actually, DW TOS established that they do.

Neither do the Racnoss, or the Krillitanes.

Says who? What reason do we have to think that they did not at some point in their past, and therefore retain the altered perception of time that time travel technology produces?

Was it ever really necessary to kill off the Time Lords in the first place?

"Necessary" is a non sequitur. Nothing in fiction is "necessary" because it's fiction.

However, it works well to kill the Time Lords. Because, frankly, the Time Lords were lame. They were boring as villains, they were lame, they weren't nearly as cool as their name sounds, and, frankly, the Doctor is a hell of a lot more interesting if he's the Last of the Atlanteans than if he can just go back to Atlantis any time he feels like it.
 
While we may or may not agree on the killing of the Timelords, you have to admit that it opens up a world of possibilities for the 8th Doctor now with the Time War. It sorta gives him a story, without even having had any series based on him!
 
Sontarans in the classic series could travel in time? I've not seen The Invasion of Time, but didn't they only penetrate Gallifrey's defences there because the Doctor invited them? And in The Two Doctors they were hoping for the Doctor to help perfect a time machine for them, which they ultimately didn't get. The Sontarans in the new series never mention time travel to my knowledge.

I still feel that all the Time War/Time Lords extinct/time-locked/little more than myths and legends stuff messes things up too much and is needlessly confusing. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The idea of a "post-Gallifreyan era" is ridiculous. The era of the Time Lords extends across all eras of the universe, so to say that the Doctor is the last of his kind is just silly, because even if all his fellow Time Lords were dead in his current incarnation's personal timeline, the ones from his past before the Time War would have to be around somewhere.
 
Sontarans in the classic series could travel in time? I've not seen The Invasion of Time, but didn't they only penetrate Gallifrey's defences there because the Doctor invited them? And in The Two Doctors they were hoping for the Doctor to help perfect a time machine for them, which they ultimately didn't get. The Sontarans in the new series never mention time travel to my knowledge.

Plenty of time for them to develop time travel technology between DW TOS and the start of the Time War, then, if they were already on their way.

I still feel that all the Time War/Time Lords extinct/time-locked/little more than myths and legends stuff messes things up too much and is needlessly confusing. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The idea of a "post-Gallifreyan era" is ridiculous. The era of the Time Lords extends across all eras of the universe, so to say that the Doctor is the last of his kind is just silly, because even if all his fellow Time Lords were dead in his current incarnation's personal timeline, the ones from his past before the Time War would have to be around somewhere.

Unless they were erased from the timeline.
 
Sontarans in the classic series could travel in time? I've not seen The Invasion of Time, but didn't they only penetrate Gallifrey's defences there because the Doctor invited them? And in The Two Doctors they were hoping for the Doctor to help perfect a time machine for them, which they ultimately didn't get. The Sontarans in the new series never mention time travel to my knowledge.

Plenty of time for them to develop time travel technology between DW TOS and the start of the Time War, then, if they were already on their way.

I still feel that all the Time War/Time Lords extinct/time-locked/little more than myths and legends stuff messes things up too much and is needlessly confusing. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The idea of a "post-Gallifreyan era" is ridiculous. The era of the Time Lords extends across all eras of the universe, so to say that the Doctor is the last of his kind is just silly, because even if all his fellow Time Lords were dead in his current incarnation's personal timeline, the ones from his past before the Time War would have to be around somewhere.

Unless they were erased from the timeline.

Which, when you think about it, is impossible, as then races like the Racnoss and the Vampires would still be flourishing to this day.

And if the Sontarans were capable of time travel, I should think they would have made better use of it by now.
 
Sontarans in the classic series could travel in time? I've not seen The Invasion of Time, but didn't they only penetrate Gallifrey's defences there because the Doctor invited them? And in The Two Doctors they were hoping for the Doctor to help perfect a time machine for them, which they ultimately didn't get. The Sontarans in the new series never mention time travel to my knowledge.

Plenty of time for them to develop time travel technology between DW TOS and the start of the Time War, then, if they were already on their way.

I still feel that all the Time War/Time Lords extinct/time-locked/little more than myths and legends stuff messes things up too much and is needlessly confusing. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The idea of a "post-Gallifreyan era" is ridiculous. The era of the Time Lords extends across all eras of the universe, so to say that the Doctor is the last of his kind is just silly, because even if all his fellow Time Lords were dead in his current incarnation's personal timeline, the ones from his past before the Time War would have to be around somewhere.

Unless they were erased from the timeline.

Which, when you think about it, is impossible, as then races like the Racnoss and the Vampires would still be flourishing to this day.

Unless the Racnoss and Vampires were, again, protected from changes in the timeline even as the Time Lords were not. Hell, we know that the Doctor used something called "the Moment" to destroy the Time Lords and Daleks; who's to say that the Moment was not intentionally designed to be able to erase targets from the time line while preserving the effects on others that those targets have had?

And if the Sontarans were capable of time travel, I should think they would have made better use of it by now.

I shouldn't. They're a pretty irrational, uncreative bunch. They don't really think outside the box much.
 
In their original appearance, cleverly and indicatively called The Time Warrior, the Sontarans are perfectly capable of nabbing people from 1980 and dragging them back to the 13th century with a damaged spaceship.
 
I am currently laughing my head off at how absolutely, mind-bogglingly STUPID and NONSENSICAL the entire scenario is. :guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:
 
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