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How do/did you feel about the return of the Enterprise-D?

If the moon is over Kronos, how did the moon exploding not cause an extinction level event on the planet below? If that's the Kronos moon, everyone on the planet is dead.

No way in hell the Romulan Star Empire would put the fate of their entire planet in the hands of just two men, even if it's Ambassador Spock and Captain Picard. You take the help, and you continue evacuations. Look how 9-11 united America for a time. Now, put than on a global scale. Romulans gonna work together to evacuate, maybe not globally united, but united enough for people to be fleeing the planet as fast as Romulanly possible.

I just don't imagine in-fighting when the entire planet is going to be destroyed, and the only real answer to survival is to evacuate the planet, knowing that you can't save everyone.
Romulans are notoriously paranoid. They don't trust easily. Two, how many Romulans knew of the possibility of their star exploding? Three, how selfish is leadership going to be about this, if they even have established leadership again that can coordinate.

Finally, this assumes equal access to scientific knowledge and resources. We know Romulan society doesn't function that way.

All they had to do was wait too long.
 
Romulans are notoriously paranoid. They don't trust easily. Two, how many Romulans knew of the possibility of their star exploding? Three, how selfish is leadership going to be about this, if they even have established leadership again that can coordinate.

Finally, this assumes equal access to scientific knowledge and resources. We know Romulan society doesn't function that way.

All they had to do was wait too long.
If Picard knows about it and Utopia Planetia is building an evacuation fleet, I expect the entire planet knows. I just doubt anyone on Romulus is going to sit on the supernova. It stops being political and starts being about your family, your friends, their families, and so on.
 
The true Enterprise-D - ANY Starfleet vessel, for that matter - isn't just the saucer, it's the union of primary AND secondary hull. If you replace either one of those, how can you logically call it the same ship?

Well that’s the entire concept of triggers broom. Or for those less cultured the ship of Theseus.

Indeed it applies to people. How many cells need to be replaced in a person before they are no longer than person. What about a boood transfusion or organ transplant?
 
For me, it's the Enterprise-D in all the ways that matters. IIRC, the ship has three computer cores, two of which are in the saucer. The "brain" if you like. It's still "thinking" like the old ship, demonstrated by the computer recognising Captain Picard.

Not trying to blow my own trumpet, but I am currently in a transplant clinic having my 3-monthly check-up. In my case, it's a heart and kidney transplant (from different points in my life) and I am quite aware that there are people that come here with more extensive surgery than myself, or more replacement parts, if you like. We're all the same people, we've just been through a lot.
 
Realistically, it should have been a spherical shockwave, I don't know why sci-fi movies keep doing the ring shockwave. If nothing else, moon debris would rain down on Kronos, killing everything on the planet.
I am not a physicist, but since we don't know the exact nature of the explosion but we know it didn't entirely annihilate the planet, in my head I rationalize it as more of a shaped charge explosion.
 
I am not a physicist, but since we don't know the exact nature of the explosion but we know it didn't entirely annihilate the planet, in my head I rationalize it as more of a shaped charge explosion.
One does not need to be a physicist know that the moon exploding like Praxis did will be an extinction level event for the planet below. Whoever survived on Praxis likely did not live long.
 
One does not need to be a physicist know that the moon exploding like Praxis did will be an extinction level event for the planet below. Whoever survived on Praxis likely did not live long.
I didn't say anyone survived on Praxis. Since we don't know how far Praxis was from Kronos though, why the assumption that it would be an extinction level event, especially in the 23rd century?
 
I didn't say anyone survived on Praxis. Since we don't know how far Praxis was from Kronos though, why the assumption that it would be an extinction level event, especially in the 23rd century?
Time frame doesn't matter. A moon exploding like that with a shockwave that tossed the Excelsior around like a toy. Most of the moon was gone. All of that matter had to go somewhere, and the planet below is most likely a target given the moon probably exploded in all directions except for the chunk that remained. That kind of mass raining down on Kronos is going to be an extinction level event, plus the shockwave which will do even more damage. Reduced moon mass will affect the moon's gravitational pull on the planet below which means damage to Kronos oceans and ecosystems.
 
According to the dialog of the movie, it was a subspace shockwave that hit Excelsior, which removes its behavior from the realm of physics to the realm of what ever the FX artists think is cool... :lol:
Fair enough, it's Star Trek, I can roll with a BS shockwave. :lol: What about all of that mass raining down on Kronos? :crazy::eek:
 
Fair enough, it's Star Trek, I can roll with a BS shockwave. :lol: What about all of that mass raining down on Kronos? :crazy::eek:
Well, since we're talking subspace—and since the shockwave reached the Excelsior at FTL speed—I'd say the bulk of the moon's material was accelerated to warp speed by the explosion and ejected from the star system. Fortunately for Kronos, the direction of the blast was away from the planet and less than a tithe of the material remained to impact the homeworld's atmosphere.
How's that for a bit of BS that fits what we were shown in the movie. :biggrin:
 
Well, since we're talking subspace—and since the shockwave reached the Excelsior at FTL speed—I'd say the bulk of the moon's material was accelerated to warp speed by the explosion and ejected from the star system. Fortunately for Kronos, the direction of the blast was away from the planet and less than a tithe of the material remained to impact the homeworld's atmosphere.
How's that for a bit of BS that fits what we were shown in the movie. :biggrin:
With reduced moon mass, won't that mean less tidal forces on Kronos, causing devastating effects on the oceans and ecosystems? Lemme guess: they warp in a new moon and warp out the broken one? :lol:
 
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