I didn´t get this at first, but I think he is referring to the Kobayashi Maru test where Kirk cheated.
How Critical Was Nimoy's Role?
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I didn´t get this at first, but I think he is referring to the Kobayashi Maru test where Kirk cheated.
That was a meta-moment. It wasn't Spock who cheated but Abrams, Orci & Kurtzman. This was the only way they could think to break the fourth wall and wink at us about it. I didn't let it bug me. This movie is such a loud, delightful trifle, nothing in it bugs me.
Well, that bit was obvious. But where exactly did Spock cheat?
The script was completely finished months before the writer's strike. If they'd thought there was a need for this kind of rewrite - to polish the logic of stuff, as opposed to changing a line or two - they'd have done it. This isn't the result of not having time to do it.
I think Spock understood Kirk to be referring - as Kirk pretty clearly was - not to the fact that Spock had simply come back in time, but that he was choosing now to change history by providing Kirk with information about the future but most importantly by giving Scotty the not-yet-existing technology to beam them to the Enterprise. That was not accidental, and in context it perfectly fits Kirk's "accusation."
I think Spock understood Kirk to be referring - as Kirk pretty clearly was - not to the fact that Spock had simply come back in time, but that he was choosing now to change history by providing Kirk with information about the future but most importantly by giving Scotty the not-yet-existing technology to beam them to the Enterprise. That was not accidental, and in context it perfectly fits Kirk's "accusation."
Yeah, and I don't mean for it to be a cheapshot. I couldn't respect Nimoy more.
It's just that it was a little distracting, and when I was watching Nimoy on SNL, a female friend of mine said: "Why does he sound like that?"
Somewhat defensively, I responded, "Because he's old." And then I changed the subject.
John Huston's voice did the same thing when he reached a certain age. Forget it, Sam. It's Vulcan Town.
I know you don't. I'm just puzzled by the whole thing.
Several older members of my family wear dentures (I'm of the Baby Boomer generation, first cohort to live our whole lives with fluoridated water, I believe). I've never noticed any oddness about their speech but I'm probably too accustomed to them to notice if there is anything.
There are often changes in the facial structure as people age - jaw alignment and so on - that might explain it. Or maybe it is a denture problem. No clue.
It's a weird talent/obsession of mine. I'm also quite adept at picking out people who have worn braces in the past.
I have issues.
So if I post a photo of my teeth, can you tell me what my opinion of Trek XII will be?
Agreed, but then it would be hard to get less graceful than throwing the old guy down a ravine to kill him.
Awww, come on...it was...fun!
While I don't feel that, in STXI, it had to be Spock - it could have been any number of Vulcan diplomats - the role that he played was at the hub of this plot.
Seeing him piloting that science vessel...was just awesome.
I too didn't quite feel a strong emotional impact with Vulcan's destruction. I would liked to have seen Old Spock struggle more with that, even with him being a sage and master of himself.
But, one angle to consider on that - sometimes people don't react to things the way we expect, and it is misconstrued as them not caring. By this stage of his life, Spock has mastered emotion and logic perhaps even more than many pure Vulcans. He has been around that wheel many times.
This is a nitpick I honestly didn't notice, but I have an 89 year old grandfather I still talk too all the time, so he just sounded elderly to me. I even watched ST-II in hi-def before the second IMAX showing and his performance didn't bother me either time. Maybe it is rose-colored glasses, or I am used to being around elderly people more. I do live in Florida ~ where America and Canada come to drive very slowly into the next realm.
I do have the nitpick that neither old nor new Spock responded in any way like what they had Nimoy do in the Immunity syndrome when only 400 Vulcans bite the dust. I would have thought the destruction of Vulcan would send him into shock based on my TOS bible, but that is hardcore nitpicking by non-far terms.
/It's a new branch of the multi-verse. It's a new branch of the multi-verse. It's a new branch of the multi-verse.
/It's a new branch of the multi-verse. It's a new branch of the multi-verse. It's a new branch of the multi-verse.
I thought Nimoy was needed to pass the torch to the new cast.
I'm really glad they didn't kill off Old Spock. To this day I still get pissed when I think about how they killed off Kirk so stupidly in Generations. A bunch of monkeys could have written a better script for that movie.
I'm really glad they didn't kill off Old Spock. To this day I still get pissed when I think about how they killed off Kirk so stupidly in Generations. A bunch of monkeys could have written a better script for that movie.
But they couldn't have recorded an audio commentary that was as hilarious.
Agreed, but then it would be hard to get less graceful than throwing the old guy down a ravine to kill him.
Agreed. With both of you.
As much as I loved the film, Nimoy WAS essentially Basil Exposition. He served no roll other than to reveal the plot, and Nero's motives to the audience.
But I did love his final scene with Zachary Quinto!
Yancy
But I did love his final scene with Zachary Quinto!
Yancy
He was necessary just to bridge the old and the new. Also so he could say "I have and will always be your friend."
I thought he was great and critical to the plot. Otherwise we would have said the entire time: Hey there's Nero, he came back... but wait where is Spock? Wasn't he involved with the black hole too?
I thought he was great and critical to the plot. Otherwise we would have said the entire time: Hey there's Nero, he came back... but wait where is Spock? Wasn't he involved with the black hole too?
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