How can future shows retcon the errors of Star Trek Picard?

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  1. JoaquinSlowly

    JoaquinSlowly Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Exactly this. Compromising a society’s core beliefs in order to protect them is inherently self-defeating, and is just a justification of fascism.

    To implement mandatory mindscans would remove all good faith and trust, and be an invasion of privacy contradictory to the core beliefs of the Federation. They wouldn’t have to wait for an infiltrator to compromise what they stand for, they would have already done so themselves.
     
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  2. KamenRiderBlade

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    That's not how it works.

    Psychic Mind Scanning is just another tool.
    You know how we have modern "Lie Detectors" that are of varying levels of accuracy?

    Think of Electronic Telepathic Mind Scanning or Natural Telepathic Mind Reading as another form of "Lie Detector".

    Think about it, Betazoids violate everybody's mental rights left and right.

    Deanna scans your emotional state without consent. Same with Lwaxaana Troi reading people's minds willy nilly.

    Or the StarFleet Academy Dean that was a Betazoid who could read every students minds.

    What are you going to do when you're surrounded by countless species who can read your mind and you're the only one who can't do squat about getting their minds read?
     
  3. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    Still morally and ethically wrong and counter to what the Federation stands for.
     
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  4. KamenRiderBlade

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    Nobody is "Forcing you to take a Mental Exam".

    The Government / Military jobs are completely Voluntary and Chosen by you.

    You know the requirements necessary to get said job.

    You can happily live your live doing normal private sector work and be perfectly happy.

    Yet the UFP / StarFleet has already created the Psycho-Tricorder and it already has built in subroutines for detecting lies.
    The device is literally no different then modern "Lie Detectors" but probably has a much higher level of accuracy.

    Would you object to taking "Lie Detector" tests if you needed it for a Government Job / Military Job that has Security Clearance requirements?

    This job is completely voluntary, you don't need it to live your life happily.
     
  5. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    What exactly defines a traitor? What markers are in their memories would be relevant to proclaiming someone unfit to serve?

    I doubt someone like the Admiral from “Ensign Ro” (or many other episodes) started out with bad intent, just someone who made bad choices when push came to shove.
     
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  6. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    Mind probes/scans is where I draw the line.
     
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  7. fireproof78

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    Privacy matters little in space future.
     
  8. The Wormhole

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    Which has nothing to do with my point about characters who still had both parents living.
     
  9. KamenRiderBlade

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    I'm sure somebody who has more experience with Mind Reading will know what questions to ask and what parts of the memory to probe so they can dig down to the truth.

    I'm not talking about everyday citizenry.

    Enjoy life in the private sector! Nobody from the UFP Government or StarFleet should bug you or worry about you since you're so afraid of Mind Probes / Scans / Telepathic Mind reading.

    Don't forget that you might offend Betazoids if you don't let them read your mind.
     
  10. BillJ

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    This is nothing more than 1950’s McCarthyism with a technological coat of paint. Trying to root out “traitors” with little regard for liberty or personal freedom.
     
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  11. fireproof78

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    Reminds me of the Drumhead.
     
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  12. BillJ

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    See!


     
  13. BillJ

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    What about Starfleet families? What about private contractors who do work for Starfleet? What about their families?

    Very slippery slope...
     
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  14. KamenRiderBlade

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    And you're doing nothing to protect the UFP / StarFleet from traitors.

    The tool sits there, right in front of you. It can root out traitors like Commodore Oh.

    You don't have to work for UFP Government / StarFleet to live a normal life.

    You choose to work with UFP Government / StarFleet, there are certain conditions that come with it.

    It's not a secret. Family members getting scanned could be part of the deal.

    BillJ, what if you're trying to do a business deal with Betazoids?

    If their cultural requirement is to scan your mind for honesty in business dealings, would you say no? Potentially lose out on a big client?
     
  15. BillJ

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    You don’t think that the Romulans would prep their operatives for those contingencies?


    What truth? These folks wouldn’t yet be in positions to betray the Federation.

    This is a solution that violates personal freedoms looking for a problem.
     
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  16. KamenRiderBlade

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    You don't think we would come up with counter techniques for those contingencies?

    Who said there was only one Mind Scan? That could be a annual or semi-annual random exams. No different than a drug test for a sports league.
     
  17. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    You're way to in love with tools.
     
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  18. KamenRiderBlade

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    You don't like tools?

    Tools are what makes humanity and most Sentient & Sapient creatures great.

    It allowed us to get where we are to day and will take us to the future.

    Our comfy civilization was built on tools and labor.

    That computer you're using. Built with ALOT of tools.
     
  19. BillJ

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    And some foreign operatives would still work their way through the system. The price is just our freedom.

    Wow. We want to invade your mind on an annual basis!
     
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  20. KamenRiderBlade

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    BillJ, you're still free. Nothing changes for you as an average citizen. You don't even get mind scanned if you're a normal civilian. Unless you live next to a Betazoid couple. Then they'll probably be able to scan you since you're so physically close.

    Or Semi-Annual. Depends on if you want to work for the UFP Government / StarFleet.

    You know the requirements. It's no different then a drug test for sports leagues.
     
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