How can future shows retcon the errors of Star Trek Picard?

[JoaquinSlowly]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Exactly this. Compromising a society’s core beliefs in order to protect them is inherently self-defeating, and is just a justification of fascism.

To implement mandatory mindscans would remove all good faith and trust, and be an invasion of privacy contradictory to the core beliefs of the Federation. They wouldn’t have to wait for an infiltrator to compromise what they stand for, they would have already done so themselves.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Either it applies to everyone or it applies to no one.

That's not how it works.

Psychic Mind Scanning is just another tool.
You know how we have modern "Lie Detectors" that are of varying levels of accuracy?

Think of Electronic Telepathic Mind Scanning or Natural Telepathic Mind Reading as another form of "Lie Detector".

Think about it, Betazoids violate everybody's mental rights left and right.

Deanna scans your emotional state without consent. Same with Lwaxaana Troi reading people's minds willy nilly.

Or the StarFleet Academy Dean that was a Betazoid who could read every students minds.

What are you going to do when you're surrounded by countless species who can read your mind and you're the only one who can't do squat about getting their minds read?

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's not how it works.

Psychic Mind Scanning is just another tool.
You know how we have modern "Lie Detectors" that are of varying levels of accuracy?

Think of Electronic Telepathic Mind Scanning or Natural Telepathic Mind Reading as another form of "Lie Detector".

Think about it, Betazoids violate everybody's mental rights left and right.

Deanna scans your emotional state without consent. Same with Lwaxaana Troi reading people's minds willy nilly.

Or the StarFleet Academy Dean that was a Betazoid who could read every students minds.

What are you going to do when you're surrounded by countless species who can read your mind and you're the only one who can't do squat about getting their minds read?

Still morally and ethically wrong and counter to what the Federation stands for.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Still morally and ethically wrong and counter to what the Federation stands for.

Nobody is "Forcing you to take a Mental Exam".

The Government / Military jobs are completely Voluntary and Chosen by you.

You know the requirements necessary to get said job.

You can happily live your live doing normal private sector work and be perfectly happy.

Yet the UFP / StarFleet has already created the Psycho-Tricorder and it already has built in subroutines for detecting lies.

It may have possessed a hypnosis-assist subroutine, as well as subroutines for lie-detection and amnesia analysis. The device was normally operated by a medical technician while the attending psychologist directed the patient.

The device is literally no different then modern "Lie Detectors" but probably has a much higher level of accuracy.

Would you object to taking "Lie Detector" tests if you needed it for a Government Job / Military Job that has Security Clearance requirements?

This job is completely voluntary, you don't need it to live your life happily.

 

[BillJ]

You're doing a job that has critical Security Implications, if you can have a higher level of gurantee of safety and to prevent traitors amongst your ranks, you bet that every government in the world will do it.

What exactly defines a traitor? What markers are in their memories would be relevant to proclaiming someone unfit to serve?

I doubt someone like the Admiral from “Ensign Ro” (or many other episodes) started out with bad intent, just someone who made bad choices when push came to shove.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Nobody is "Forcing you to take a Mental Exam".

The Government / Military jobs are completely Voluntary and Chosen by you.

You know the requirements necessary to get said job.

You can happily live your live doing normal private sector work and be perfectly happy.

Yet the UFP / StarFleet has already created the Psycho-Tricorder and it already has built in subroutines for detecting lies.


The device is literally no different then modern "Lie Detectors" but probably has a much higher level of accuracy.

Would you object to taking "Lie Detector" tests if you needed it for a Government Job / Military Job that has Security Clearance requirements?

This job is completely voluntary, you don't need it to live your life happily.

Mind probes/scans is where I draw the line.

 

[fireproof78]

Privacy matters little in space future.

 

[The Wormhole]

But Trip lost his sister in the Xindi attack instead...

Which has nothing to do with my point about characters who still had both parents living.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

What exactly defines a traitor? What markers are in their memories would be relevant to proclaiming someone unfit to serve?

I doubt someone like the Admiral from “Ensign Ro” started out with bad intent, just someone who made bad choices when push came to shove.

I'm sure somebody who has more experience with Mind Reading will know what questions to ask and what parts of the memory to probe so they can dig down to the truth.

Privacy matters little in space future.

I'm not talking about everyday citizenry.

Mind probes/scans is where I draw the line.

Enjoy life in the private sector! Nobody from the UFP Government or StarFleet should bug you or worry about you since you're so afraid of Mind Probes / Scans / Telepathic Mind reading.

Don't forget that you might offend Betazoids if you don't let them read your mind.

 

[BillJ]

This is nothing more than 1950’s McCarthyism with a technological coat of paint. Trying to root out “traitors” with little regard for liberty or personal freedom.

 

[fireproof78]

Reminds me of the Drumhead.

 

[BillJ]

See!

I'm sure somebody who has more experience with Mind Reading will know what questions to ask and what parts of the memory to probe so they can dig down to the truth.

 

[BillJ]

What about Starfleet families? What about private contractors who do work for Starfleet? What about their families?

Very slippery slope...

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

This is nothing more than 1950’s McCarthyism with a technological coat of paint. Trying to root out “traitors” with little regard for liberty or personal freedom.

And you're doing nothing to protect the UFP / StarFleet from traitors.

The tool sits there, right in front of you. It can root out traitors like Commodore Oh.

What about Starfleet families? What about private contractors who do work for Starfleet? What about their families?

Very slippery slope...

You don't have to work for UFP Government / StarFleet to live a normal life.

You choose to work with UFP Government / StarFleet, there are certain conditions that come with it.

It's not a secret. Family members getting scanned could be part of the deal.

BillJ, what if you're trying to do a business deal with Betazoids?

If their cultural requirement is to scan your mind for honesty in business dealings, would you say no? Potentially lose out on a big client?

 

[BillJ]

The tool sits there, right in front of you. It can root out traitors like Commodore Oh.

You don’t think that the Romulans would prep their operatives for those contingencies?

I'm sure somebody who has more experience with Mind Reading will know what questions to ask and what parts of the memory to probe so they can dig down to the truth.

What truth? These folks wouldn’t yet be in positions to betray the Federation.

This is a solution that violates personal freedoms looking for a problem.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You don’t think that the Romulans would prep their operatives for those contingencies?

You don't think we would come up with counter techniques for those contingencies?

What truth? These folks wouldn’t yet be in positions to betray the Federation.

Who said there was only one Mind Scan? That could be a annual or semi-annual random exams. No different than a drug test for a sports league.

 

[Nerys Myk]

And you're doing nothing to protect the UFP / StarFleet from traitors.

The tool sits there, right in front of you. It can root out traitors like Commodore Oh.
.

You're way to in love with tools.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You're way to in love with tools.

You don't like tools?

Tools are what makes humanity and most Sentient & Sapient creatures great.

It allowed us to get where we are to day and will take us to the future.

Our comfy civilization was built on tools and labor.

That computer you're using. Built with ALOT of tools.

 

[BillJ]

You don't think we would come up with counter techniques for those contingencies?

And some foreign operatives would still work their way through the system. The price is just our freedom.

Who said there was only one Mind Scan? That could be a annual or semi-random exam. No different than a drug test for a sports league.

Wow. We want to invade your mind on an annual basis!

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

And some foreign operatives would still work their way through the system. The price is just our freedom.

BillJ, you're still free. Nothing changes for you as an average citizen. You don't even get mind scanned if you're a normal civilian. Unless you live next to a Betazoid couple. Then they'll probably be able to scan you since you're so physically close.

Wow. We want to invade your mind on an annual basis!

Or Semi-Annual. Depends on if you want to work for the UFP Government / StarFleet.

You know the requirements. It's no different then a drug test for sports leagues.