How can a supenova threaten...

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

the entire galaxy?

That's what happens when people not familiar with the technical stuff write these things.

I love the movie, but it just felt silly hearing Nimoy talk like that.

And, for some reason it was silly hearing him say "So I had to take the red matter and shoot it into the black hole." It's the kind of line a talented fourth grader would write, not something a science officer with years of experience looking through a sensor would say.
What's more he wasn't even aiming for the black hole when he shot it off.

 

[RoJoHen]

Um, it was a super awesome angry supernova.

But yeah, the Red Matter was a silly plot device.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I saw a suggestion that the supernova triggered a spatial rift somehow. That would be the only thing that would make any sort of sense--that it wasn't the supernova itself but some pre-existing space-time weakness (most likely, subspace weakness) that was at fault.

 

[DEWLine]

I simply assumed subspace/gravitational side effects in play, as with Praxis in ST VI.

 

[Voyagerian]

Exactly my thought as I watched ST today, right after I got it, and heard Prime Spock address Jim via the meld...thinking as I watched the images of IT happening, 'Man, that just still makes no sense to me'. Sorry, Orci and Kurtzman, but even I know, and science isn't my forte', that a supernova can't consume a galaxy at large....so I could shrug, and say he may have been speaking in a general sense of threat...Nerys' comments make sense. As for the Red Matter, yep, I had similar thoughts of, um, ugh...but eh, it hardly ruined the film for me, and I'll be watching it again, and again-not consecutively, of course...

 

[6079SmithW]

I pretended that he meant politically destroy the "galaxy", whereby the "galaxy" is hyperbole for the Alpha and Beta quadrants. If the star was within Romulan space then the nasty radiation could cause enough death and mayhem to collapse the Romulan Star Empire and create a power vacuum. This might cause a huge war to establish another superpower and the Federation and Klingons had just gotten through the dominion war so they are weak. Maybe someone we haven't seen in a while like the Gorn or the Tholians would try something.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Red Matter itself, the idea, bugged me, but not so much as his line about "shooting it into the black hole." It just sounded silly,, but who could deliver the line as written without sounding silly. Just a shame that Nimoy came out of retirement to deliver a silly-sounding line like that.

Fortunately, many of the other things he said were worthy of the character and the actor.

As for the entire galaxy line, the only way I could justify it is in an allegorical sense. The Romulans may be on precarious terms in relationship to the Feds, Klingons and everyone else, but their destruction would really throw everything off i politically.

I guess.

By the way: its' interesting to note that my spell check knows the word "Klingon".

 

[DEWLine]

Yeah, I could see the political angle on Romulus/Remus' removal from the board now that you remind me of it...

 

[Amaris]

Damaging radiation from a supernova can spread several hundred light years.
Then again, from what it seemed Spock was saying, this was no ordinary supernova. It caught everyone by surprise, and it kind of makes me wonder if there's more to it that we'll see in the next movie.

J.

 

[Nowhere Man]

Yeah, it amazes me that the science in this movie was pretty awfull ,considering they had a NASA science advisor with them.they could have done better. I think a Gama Ray burst would have worked better.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I pretended that he meant politically destroy the "galaxy", whereby the "galaxy" is hyperbole for the Alpha and Beta quadrants. If the star was within Romulan space then the nasty radiation could cause enough death and mayhem to collapse the Romulan Star Empire and create a power vacuum. This might cause a huge war to establish another superpower and the Federation and Klingons had just gotten through the dominion war so they are weak. Maybe someone we haven't seen in a while like the Gorn or the Tholians would try something.

You said it first. Though I wish the writers (who obviously know Trek's legacy very well, would imply that stronger. Instead, it sounds like they know Trek lore but not basic 3rd grade science.

 

[Jeri]

You might guess that this has been discussed at length pretty much since Day One. We started calling it a Super Duper Nova way back when -- and yes, somewhere along the line the idea developed that the explosion had penetrated subspace and was spreading virulently that way.

 

[Trekker4747]

Yeah, the science in this movie was pretty damn shitty, Star Trek movie or not the sceince in it should still make sense.

I figure that the nova wasn't physically threatening the galaxy (in that it was going to destroy planets and suns and such) but maybe it'd cause some effect that'd threaten the galaxy in some political or resource way. It managed to destroy Romulous -which may have been what they were trying to prevent- which would have drastic political ramifications as the surviving strands of the Romulan Empire tried to recover.

Similar to how the Federation went into political overdrive when Praxis blew-up.

But, a nova that "threatens the galaxy", blackholes being used for time-travel (rather than spaghettifying Spock's atoms and then crushing them into something the size of an M&M), blackholes being created from "red matter" (and it only takes a drop for it to work, but we made a sphere of it the size of a room) and the blackholes "sucking" things rather than just simply being gravity. The science in this movie was crap, like Voyager on its worst days.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

spaghettifying

You rock!

 

[Jeri]

Oh, yeah, don't get onto the black hole crushing, non-time travel bit again. There were some epic threads here on so many topics. M'Sharak should just list them all as links from five months ago. I guess all these topics are reappearing just because some people didn't see the movie much in the theater and only saw it yesterday.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah, the science in this movie was pretty damn shitty, Star Trek movie or not the sceince in it should still make sense.

I figure that the nova wasn't physically threatening the galaxy (in that it was going to destroy planets and suns and such) but maybe it'd cause some effect that'd threaten the galaxy in some political or resource way. It managed to destroy Romulous -which may have been what they were trying to prevent- which would have drastic political ramifications as the surviving strands of the Romulan Empire tried to recover.

Similar to how the Federation went into political overdrive when Praxis blew-up.

But, a nova that "threatens the galaxy", blackholes being used for time-travel (rather than spaghettifying Spock's atoms and then crushing them into something the size of an M&M), blackholes being created from "red matter" (and it only takes a drop for it to work, but we made a sphere of it the size of a room) and the blackholes "sucking" things rather than just simply being gravity. The science in this movie was crap, like Voyager on its worst days.

But a black hole can be used for time travel. Or more precisely a wormhole ( which includes a blackhole in its make up)

 

[Broccoli]

I wonder why they didn't have it where it was Romulas's son that went supernova. Wouldn't that have been easier?

 

[Jeri]

Stephen Hawking admitted he was wrong about black holes possibly being wormholes in space. Almost everybody except a handful of people know that all black holes do is crush everything that comes into their event horizon. No wormholes, no time travel.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Stephen Hawking admitted he was wrong about black holes possibly being wormholes in space. Almost everybody except a handful of people know that all black holes do is crush everything that comes into their even horizon. No wormholes, no time travel.

Sure, in this univerese.

 

[Jeri]

Yes; I'm perfectly willing to use Star Trek without knowing how it works.