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House: 6x05 - "The Tyrant" - Discussion and Spoilers

Grade the episode

  • Excellent

    Votes: 29 72.5%
  • Good

    Votes: 9 22.5%
  • Average

    Votes: 1 2.5%
  • Bad

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Terrible

    Votes: 1 2.5%

  • Total voters
    40
Chase made a cold blooded decision to kill a person. He wasn't any better than that dictator he killed. His excuse was that he was doing that for a higher cause, but that's the same excuse the dictator used--to save his country.
Retributions next week.
 
Grayness? It's black and white. Hypocrates's oath is clear: do not harm. Chase clearly broke this oath. Don't get me wrong, it does great tv but there shouldn't be any moral dilema from a doctor's standpoint, anyway.

He has a point, from the stand point of both options did harm.

If he lived, harm to thousands, perhaps millions of people.
If he dies, harm to him.

The question then becomes triage. Which option results in the least amount of harm.
Yeah but that's the I, Robot interpretation of a higher logic. It doesn't work like that, especially in a case like this where a number of events could have happened to prevent the genocides.

Not to mention that what he did afterwords wasn't exactly altruistic... he's trying to get Foreman to compromise himself by covering up for him. That ain't cool.
 
I thought it was an excellent episode. I loved both plotlines equally. The standout scene, for me, was House helping the vet relax his arm.
 
The standout scene, for me, was House helping the vet relax his arm.

Ditto. Scenes like that are what pulled me into this show and is why House needs to get back into a more active role in the hospital ASAP, and needs to be seen in the clinic mor.e
 
Grayness? It's black and white. Hypocrates's oath is clear: do not harm. Chase clearly broke this oath. Don't get me wrong, it does great tv but there shouldn't be any moral dilema from a doctor's standpoint, anyway.

He has a point, from the stand point of both options did harm.

If he lived, harm to thousands, perhaps millions of people.
If he dies, harm to him.

The question then becomes triage. Which option results in the least amount of harm.

A doctor's oath to "do no harm" only applies to his patient not to extend that oath to people or things the patient might do once out of your care.

Besides, it's not like they make you sign it. ;)

Haven't you shrieked bloody murder for the last several years after the "Rampage" episode of ER? Haven't you carried the "I gave up on the show after they made Greene a murderer" torch forever? What's the difference?

Shit, this is arguably worse: Chase took blood from a corpse with scleroderma and used it to contaminate the dictator's test results. Foreman stopped the treatment for his (correct) diagnosis after pressure from Chase and Cameron to treat for scleroderma. Chase completely fabricated a condition in order to kill the patient.
 
Holy shit. OMFG, Chase! :eek: Voted excellent- loses points for Foreteen stuff, but great stuff otherwise. James Earl Jones is always awesome. Loved House v. the vet- knew what he was doing with the mirrors. Pretty cool!
 
He has a point, from the stand point of both options did harm.

If he lived, harm to thousands, perhaps millions of people.
If he dies, harm to him.

The question then becomes triage. Which option results in the least amount of harm.

A doctor's oath to "do no harm" only applies to his patient not to extend that oath to people or things the patient might do once out of your care.

Besides, it's not like they make you sign it. ;)

Haven't you shrieked bloody murder for the last several years after the "Rampage" episode of ER? Haven't you carried the "I gave up on the show after they made Greene a murderer" torch forever? What's the difference?

Shit, this is arguably worse: Chase took blood from a corpse with scleroderma and used it to contaminate the dictator's test results. Foreman stopped the treatment for his (correct) diagnosis after pressure from Chase and Cameron to treat for scleroderma. Chase completely fabricated a condition in order to kill the patient.

"Shrieked bloody murder", not sure I'd go that far. But, yes, in the ocassion an ER thread starts, and the occasion that I visit that thread, I will mention that I gave up on the show when Dr. Greene coldy stood there and watched a man die with an equally cold on his face. And that would seem in conflict with my feelings here on Chase.

However.

I watch(ed) ER differently than I do House. While both are 'medical dramas" ER was more realistic, dramatic and, "soap operaic" than House is (which is more of "Medical Drama Farce"). Let's face it, if House as being realistic the titular doctor would've lost his license years ago and likely have been sued into oblivion.

So, since I view the two shows differently it's easier for me to "forgive" Chase than it was Doc Greene.

Also, Dr. Greene's killing of a man who murdered and then threatened his wife/child vs. a South African tyrant/dictator is a bit different.

Now, I don't like what Chase did, I do not agree with it, and I hate that they made his character do such a thing -and what the ramifications will lead to since I like Chase- but if they clear it up with Chase coming out of it OK, well, it'll damage Chase a bit in my eyes but considering how episodic this show is it's unlikely to effect the character in the narrative of the show in a few episodes (again, assuming Chase comes out of it OK) which -again- opposed to the more soap opera-like nature ER had will unlikely have any lasting effects story wise or for me.

I mean, Chase end-ran around House in Season-1 and sold him out to Vogler but the effects of that barely even lasted beyond the point when Vogler left.

So, yeah, it may a bit hypocritical but ER and House are two different types of shows that I judge differenlty as a result.
 
RAY VECCHIO!!!! (Kudos to whoever knows what I'm talking about.)

I gave this an "Excellent" as well. Both storylines had me gripped.
 
Cameron's leaving the show. A few days ago Ausiello wrote that Cameron was leaving because of problems in her marriage. Guess we know what they are now.
 
I guess they gave the two old characters one last hurrah before bumping them off.

I'm not sure how I feel about doing a Last King of Scotland episode. I guess it worked well, but you sort of guessed that Chase would be the one to "do it".
 
Pretty good...but yeah...saw the end coming pretty far away.
 
That was excellent indeed. I didn't see of it coming at all actually, but maybe that's because I was more gripped by the House/neighbour plot. I expect massive fallout from this...

Taub hasn't actually upped and left for good has he?
 
Peter Jacobson (Taub) is credited at IMDB for the next epidsode of the show. (For what it's worth, though, at IMDB he was also credited for THIS episode.)
 
I voted Excellent. I think the last episode I enjoyed to this extent was the one where CTB died.

I had misgivings about House trying to get better but the way they've handled it has been great.
 
Voted excellent. The scene with the vet was awesome and Chase definitely showed that he had the "courage of his convictions to act". And, as always, JEJ rocked!
 
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