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Honor Among Thieves... why Chief O'Brien?

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It's the episode when Chief O'Brien went and infiltrated the Orion Syndicate ring. Now I got a question for you: What's a non-commissioned officer like O'Brien doing performing undercover Starfleet missions? He's a fix-it guy and that's it.
 
He's more than just a fix-it-guy, he's served as tactical officer and in security on other ships, so presumably he has had some kind of training along those lines.
 
StewMc said:
He's more than just a fix-it-guy, he's served as tactical officer and in security on other ships, so presumably he has had some kind of training along those lines.

Perhaps, but what you wrote all but explains what he was doing on a covert mission.
 
True, I was just covering the "He's a fix-it guy and that's it." part. ;)

Indeed there were probably many officers who would have been better suited for the job.
 
What I liked about the episode is they really didn't even TRY to explain it - perhaps sensing that any throw-away explanation would just sound ridiculous.

Yes, this was a major suspension of disbelief. And the episode itself was thuddingly predictable.

Still, it had a cool atmosphere. Alas, I would have loved to have seen more episodes dealing with the Dominion/Syndicate alliance - that was the episode's most intriguing part.
 
The Chief while not a professional security man is very clever...as are professional crooks. So he's a natural to fit in with them. Remember he wasn't send in as a James Bond/Jet Li type...his mission was just to make friends and gather information.
 
Wasn't he recruited because of his technical abilities? After all that's what gets him into the syndicate. So why choosing a secret agent of Starfleet intelligence if he wouldn't have a chance to get in contact with Bilby?
 
IIRC, they also wanted someone from outside of Starfleet Intelligence because they knew there was a mole inside Starfleet passing information to the Syndicate. O'Brien's photo isn't in any list of known Starfleet Intelligence agents.
 
Here's my take on why Chief O'Brien

1. He is an excellent Engineer
2. Has seen combat at Setlek III vs Cardassians
3. Has served in Tactical/Engineering
4. No prior intelligence background
5. He's likable (Very important)


I can totally believe that when SI combed the files for candidates, he had the right combination of experience and low profile.

Did I mention that he is very likable.
 
Didn't O'Brien ask them or say something to the effect of "Why me?" in the episode. I'll have to look.
 
Hermiod said:
IIRC, they also wanted someone from outside of Starfleet Intelligence because they knew there was a mole inside Starfleet passing information to the Syndicate. O'Brien's photo isn't in any list of known Starfleet Intelligence agents.
That was why I assumed he was recruited. Although I did find that to be a bit implausible. But when you also take into consideration:
Belar said:
Wasn't he recruited because of his technical abilities? After all that's what gets him into the syndicate. So why choosing a secret agent of Starfleet intelligence if he wouldn't have a chance to get in contact with Bilby?

Then O'Brien looks like the perfect candidate for the mission.
 
O'Brien's Handler - a Starfleet Intel Specialist named Chadwick - said in the episode that O'Brien didn't volunteer for the mission. He was selected specifically to find out who the mole was that the Orion Syndicate had in Starfleet.

O'Brien was selected because of his technical knowledge. Chadwick and his personnel managed to eliminate Bilby's tech guy shortly before the episode. They figured that O'Brien would be easily configured into the role of a down on his luck technician that would be interested in joining. With the death of Bilby's Technician, they set O'Brien up to become his Fix it guy. They couldn't use a standard technician because the mole was feeding the Syndicate information about Starfleet Intelligence and - specifically - the personnel assigned to the area on missions against the Syndicate.
 
Sec31Mike said:
Here's my take on why Chief O'Brien

1. He is an excellent Engineer
2. Has seen combat at Setlek III vs Cardassians
3. Has served in Tactical/Engineering
4. No prior intelligence background
5. He's likable (Very important)


I can totally believe that when SI combed the files for candidates, he had the right combination of experience and low profile.

Did I mention that he is very likable.

Bingo! Those reasons more than enough to justify his placement in this mission. He was the best fit out of the main characters for this episode (Sisko is too valuable & high ranking). And for best effect you'd need a main character doing this mission, not a recurring character or a new character that we haven't seen before.

Great episode!
 
^ Like I said in the episode they explained that he was chosen because he was considered a low ranking officer and the Syndicate had infiltrated Starfleet. They sent O'Brien to find out who the traitor was because he was least likely to be expected (for the exact reasons listed here - he wasn't an officer).
 
True he's not an Officer but he is a high ranking NCO, Senior Chief Petty Officer which although means he doesn't outrank them, he does have more experience than most Lieutenants and Ensigns so maybe that alone qualifies him for the mission.
 
Undercover intel work requires a diverse skill set.

First is the ability to deal with whatever situation arises, his tacticall training on the rutledge would cover this.

Second, if he's supposed to be a fix-it guy, he should really know how to fix-it, hence his engineering expertise.

Third, the personal element, the Orion Syndicate has stayed in operation for at least a quarter millenium. They didn't stay in operation without being able to check out their people. O'brien was a natural friend figure who people liked almost right off the bat.
 
I think O'Brien was a good choice for this kind of thing, He's so far outside the realm of Starfleet Inteligence, a non-comm , which I think is an asset to the mission, Probably a lot of Starfleet Academy's strongest security experts wind up in Inteligence, he never was in the academy. He is a fix-it man, giving him a very useful skill that could get him in the door of probably almost any organization, No Offense to Colm Meaney, but he doesn't look like a highly trained operative, he looks like a regular guy. And lastly he's a War hero from the Cardassian Wars, long enough ago that any notice of him would have come and gone, but he's still active, so he's obviously got the skills.
 
By the way, this would have been a favorite for me, if it weren't for the fact that the story was lifted straight from the film "Donnie Brasco", or from whatever D Brasco took their story from.
 
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