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Holy Sh*t!! Altman LIKES it!!

Who gives a fuck? Mark Altman sucks.

And the thread dies in a heap of reality.

Altman has had the temerity to continue to point out - not that he's in a small minority in this regard - that Lucas was not improving the original good Star Wars films by going back and sticking CG beasties into them.

Really, all it takes to appreciate Altman's opinion there is to watch the originals and the "improved" versions with a little clarity of vision - which is to say, without one's head up one's ass.
 
TOS fans owe the modern Trek Franchise for giving the studio any reason to think that Trek was worth resurrecting at all. :lol:

You mean the modern Trek who's last film was the biggest financial black hole of the franchise? The modern Trek that nobody was watching anymore over on UPN (except maybe old school fans looking for the continuity they finally provided)?

If the "modern Trek" was so important to the "resurrection" then why aren't we waiting to see the Janeway film?

Sounds to me that Paramount (or whomever) realizes there's only one successful version of Trek left to resurrect after TNG wore out its welcome and it ain't Deep Space Nine.

This film is the (most likely final) attempt to keep the franchise going while bringing in younger fans. Cuz many young 'uns consider Trek to be pretty lame (it did get pretty safe and lightweight after a while). But maybe they got into the old show with the new CGI effects and that got them thinking there's something there better than fricking Voyager.

No, the Modern Trek Franchise, as you call it, died on the vine, mostly do to neglect and bad maintenance. So when the new stuff fails, they go back to the one version that remains in the public consciousness. It's not like they recast Picard and Data and started fresh. They rebooted the version people care most about.

I laugh when I reread all the articles written in the late 80's that considered TNG the show which "will replace the original when someone thinks of Star Trek". It was the best of the sequels and it still faded away. "Make it go..."

Star Trek Lives...and no bloody A, B. C or D.

Oh, just so ya know, aside from Voyager, I pretty much enjoyed all incarnations of Trek and even Voyager had a good batch of stand out episodes.
 
^^^Emphasis on "was", Cakes! There is no more Star Trek except for the one that opens in theatres next week. .

And I'd be OK with no more Star Trek...oh yes I would...there I said...I command you to all attack me at once!

umm... and you're haunting this board to drive that point in?

cool.

She's the Ghost of Star Trek Past!

Oh, by the way, is this the same Mark Altman who co-wrote the "Trek Navigator" book way back? Now that was an episode guide I really enjoyed. Two guys, capsule reviews of every episode, and they were brutal with their criticism - but only when it was deserved.
 
Ah yes, I remember those books, they were harsh but fair.

Is thew review spoilery? If so, I won't red it until after next week.

And Tulin is officially excited?? :eek:
 
You mean the modern Trek who's last film was the biggest financial black hole of the franchise? The modern Trek that nobody was watching anymore over on UPN (except maybe old school fans looking for the continuity they finally provided)?

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Why don't you go look at the amounts and percentage of income that "modern Trek" represents for Paramount?

Star Trek's successful return to television in the late 1980s stabilized and broadened what was a reasonably successful series of modestly-budgeted films - not blockbusters, for the most part, but targeting a reliable and unvarying fanbase - into a dependably profit-generating franchise for the studio, one of the cornerstones of their success for at least a decade. If Trek had remained the continuing adventures of Aging Kirk and Spock we'd be looking back nearly twenty years to the last installment of Star Trek and talking about how it petered out - and this movie would be a much, much longer shot than it even is now. That Star Trek is the brand that it is today, with what international success it has really had (largely English-speaking and German) has at least as much to do (more, in many places outside the U.S.) with Picard and his Enterprise and their braod appeal to children and families in the early 1990s as with a 1960s TV show that peaked in syndicated popularity in the early 1980s.

Certainly the foundation of the franchise is the original and the original characters and Abrams's people are clever enough to recognize that, but just because you might prefer them to the later iterations - as I do - doesn't mean that you get to have your own facts.
 
^^^Emphasis on "was", Cakes! There is no more Star Trek except for the one that opens in theatres next week. .

And I'd be OK with no more Star Trek...oh yes I would...there I said...I command you to all attack me at once!

umm... and you're haunting this board to drive that point in?

cool.

Haunting? Really is that the best you can do? I know you can do better than that...come on and make me proud!

But isn't that the point of a message board -- to express differing opinions and discuss etc...???? It would be pretty boring if we were all chripin' the same damn song. But anyhoo, I said that I'm along for the ride and I may be OK with them rebooting (we'll see after the movie) and I'm OK with them not rebooting it because TOS was fuckin awesome AS IS...FLAWS AND ALL.
 
I'm pretty okay with the "haunting". you don't seem very real (or realistic) to me.

oh, and btw, agreed about TOS being awesome.
 
what is real? or who? especially on this board? are you James-T-Kirk-on-TVGuide-Cover? am I Spock-Bama? who are we?
 
what is real? or who? especially on this board? are you James-T-Kirk-on-TVGuide-Cover? am I Spock-Bama? who are we?

Wow this is very deep and philosophical...I think we should have a long and drawn out discussion about this..... Yes, yes we should...I'll call you tonight! :eek:
 
You mean the modern Trek who's last film was the biggest financial black hole of the franchise? The modern Trek that nobody was watching anymore over on UPN (except maybe old school fans looking for the continuity they finally provided)?

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Why don't you go look at the amounts and percentage of income that "modern Trek" represents for Paramount?

Star Trek's successful return to television in the late 1980s stabilized and broadened what was a reasonably successful series of modestly-budgeted films - not blockbusters, for the most part, but targeting a reliable and unvarying fanbase - into a dependably profit-generating franchise for the studio, one of the cornerstones of their success for at least a decade. If Trek had remained the continuing adventures of Aging Kirk and Spock we'd be looking back nearly twenty years to the last installment of Star Trek and talking about how it petered out - and this movie would be a much, much longer shot than it even is now. That Star Trek is the brand that it is today, with what international success it has really had (largely English-speaking and German) has at least as much to do (more, in many places outside the U.S.) with Picard and his Enterprise and their braod appeal to children and families in the early 1990s as with a 1960s TV show that peaked in syndicated popularity in the early 1980s.

Certainly the foundation of the franchise is the original and the original characters and Abrams's people are clever enough to recognize that, but just because you might prefer them to the later iterations - as I do - doesn't mean that you get to have your own facts.

I agree. And I like the fact that TNG is still a part of this movie, seems like it's all ofscreen and before what we see, but Picard, Data and even Geordi are part of the story of this movie. I LOVE that. Freakn' love it!! TNG connects all the Treks and holds it all together. Jean-Luc Picard is everywhere, that's why he's Picard or "the Picard" according to those aliens on that planet that mistook him for a god. Its why Q has such fondness for him.
 
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Star Trek's successful return to television in the late 1980s stabilized and broadened what was a reasonably successful series of modestly-budgeted films <SNIP!>.

Yea ssosmcin. I think the short version is that all that kept the franchise alive. As a product. That's the facts Jack. But you do make the point that it's Kirk, Spock, the original that is considered bankable these days. These days that have a plethora of rebooted franchises. You're right, nobody rebooted the other series. TNG, of course, did have a good film run. Not too shappy. And certainly TNG is Trek to much of the youth. But it didn't have quite the life of the original. It's still here, right now (thanx JJ!). Hey, if the TNG show was more bankable we'd see a young Picard movie! But it wasn't made so. :lol:
 
But isn't that the point of a message board -- to express differing opinions and discuss etc...????

It's only fun if you're interesting.



Yeah and funny helps too..... sorry that leaves you out!

And thanks for the compliment my sweet...obviously I captured your "interest" since you reply to me! :adore:

Man, I can't stand the sexual tension between you two anymore! Just get it over with and make out already! :lol:
 
It's only fun if you're interesting.



Yeah and funny helps too..... sorry that leaves you out!

And thanks for the compliment my sweet...obviously I captured your "interest" since you reply to me! :adore:

Man, I can't stand the sexual tension between you two anymore! Just get it over with and make out already! :lol:

LOL LOL.....

Yeah we should just do that, and more...much much more....but just like his posts...I'm afraid he'd be starting something that he couldn't properly finish...OK Let me stoooooop!! LOL
 
^^^
Man, even Trekkie chicks fall for jerks.

So totally kidding Dennis. Kidding!

But he is old. :p
 
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