Hologram Clothing question

[Capt Mars]

Yeah, clothing for human participants would be replicated. Because if you had to leave the holodeck quickly, guess what? You'd be naked.

Why would you be naked if your wearing a motion detecting outfit? I'm sure they can look better then what they wear on movies like the new ape movies. Even if your wearing the motion detecting suit and you lets say in the holo room take off your shirt....well the holo room would just be animating your chess as if you have no shirt on. Or if a girl is wearing a dress that is low cut...it could just animate that part of your body as flesh tone.

 

[Kor]

Why would you be naked if your wearing a motion detecting outfit? ...

He's saying that if your entire outfit is holographic, it would disappear when you left the holodeck, not when you were still in the holodeck. Hence, naked.

Kor

 

[Jedman67]

It's not as if holo-clothes would be particularly budget-intensive, though. The trick of removing a character and substituting something else such as another character is pretty much what the earliest transporter VFX already did, and certainly a common effect overall from the get-go. Here one just substitutes the same character, in new clothes. Blimmm!

What would be a bit more costly is gradually "growing" a new gown on Picard, say. But ST:FC doesn't do that. It goes Blimmm!

Timo Saloniemi

When you have a tight vfx budget, you have to plan your shots more carefully. It was shown occasionally in DS9, and more frequently in Voyager. In TNG, most of the vfx were optical, which was a lot more expensive than digital comping later on.

 

[Capt Mars]

He's saying that if your entire outfit is holographic, it would disappear when you left the holodeck, not when you were still in the holodeck. Hence, naked.

Kor

But if you go into the holodeck room wearing a motion capture suit then you'll never be naked. You'll 'look' naked in the hologram room if you 'take off your clothes' but you wont be taking off your motion capture suit. So even if your 'naked' in the holo room as soon as you leave the room your 'nakeness' will disappear, people will see you wearing the motion capture outfit.

 

[Gary7]

^ Who wants to be bothered with slipping into a motion capture skin suit anytime you're entering the holodeck?

 

[Captain Rob]

They would all go in to the holodeck naked.
Human modesty regarding nudity is so...outdated 20th Century Human Puritanical moral foolishness.
Our 24th Century Humans have progressed beyond that sort of thing. According to the novelization of TMP. (I know, 23rd Century)

 

[Capt Mars]

They would all go in to the holodeck naked.
Human modesty regarding nudity is so...outdated 20th Century Human Puritanical moral foolishness.
Our 24th Century Humans have progressed beyond that sort of thing. According to the novelization of TMP. (I know, 23rd Century)

Well i do remember in Star Trek Nemesis Picard was comfortable with being naked and telling Worf that he's going to be naked on some planet they were going? And i didn't see much of enterprise but i seem to remember them vaguely going into this room after away missions to remove any infections they may ahve gotten by being naked and putting gel stuff on each other? is that correct? so if thats the case maybe your right as far as them being comfortable being naked infront of other people...i dont know, i still think they'd prefer to at least put a motion suit on rather then walk down the hall way naked "hey jim you all naked...going to the holodeck again." "you know it." haha

 

[Captain Rob]

Sometimes being a dirty old man can be made to seem progressive. Ask GR.
In the holodeck scene in NEM Picard asks the computer to outfit Lily in "something in satin" and her clothes disappear and she's wearing a revealing dress. Her real clothes covered up more than the satin holographic dress. So was her skin that became visible holographic or real?
I would think that if the transporter could routinely dematerialize and then materialize every atom of every molecule of an individual correctly. That the related system of the holodeck could easily remove and replace clothing.

 

[Retu]

I think wearing actual "holoplay specific" clothing is just a psychological quirk. You feel more in the character when you also dress up for the part. While holodecks can certainly project appropriate clothing over the user, some people prefer to take that extra step and wear the actual (replicated) clothing before walking inside.

 

[Capt Mars]

Sometimes being a dirty old man can be made to seem progressive. Ask GR.
In the holodeck scene in NEM Picard asks the computer to outfit Lily in "something in satin" and her clothes disappear and she's wearing a revealing dress. Her real clothes covered up more than the satin holographic dress. So was her skin that became visible holographic or real?
I would think that if the transporter could routinely dematerialize and then materialize every atom of every molecule of an individual correctly. That the related system of the holodeck could easily remove and replace clothing.

You know what this makes more sense to me....to teleport the original clothing off and replace it with holodeck clothing. AH!! yeah that could work. So when your real clothing comes 'off' its being stored in a teleport type state....but again if you walk out of the holodeck room quickly would the 'fake' hologram clothing be removed as you exit?

Maybe just like a automatic slide door detects you coming close to it...maybe when the holodeck see's that your a few feet away from exit door it re-cloths you with your original outfit?

I can see someone saying to themselves right now... "OH SHUT UP ITS JUST A SHOW! WHO CARES" hahaha

 

[Xhiandra]

But it's fun to wear period clothing! Sure, the holodeck could make holoclothes (as it did in First Contact (film)), but if I'm going to reenact something from the past (or a novel set in the past), I'll insist on period dress!

 

[Shawnster]

But what about holographic communicators?

I just rewatched Future's End. The Doctor's program was transferred to Starling's office. He appeared and Starling removed the communicator. Why? The Doctor was a hologram standing in a 20th century office. Granted, he was being projected by holo-emitters, but they weren't replicators.

 

[Jedman67]

Well i do remember in Star Trek Nemesis Picard was comfortable with being naked and telling Worf that he's going to be naked on some planet they were going? And i didn't see much of enterprise but i seem to remember them vaguely going into this room after away missions to remove any infections they may ahve gotten by being naked and putting gel stuff on each other? is that correct? so if thats the case maybe your right as far as them being comfortable being naked infront of other people...i dont know, i still think they'd prefer to at least put a motion suit on rather then walk down the hall way naked "hey jim you all naked...going to the holodeck again." "you know it." haha

In Nemesis, Troi and Riker were celebrating their wedding twice, once with a reception on Earth, and again a reception on Betazed, which has the custom of all weddings being performed and attended in the n00d.

In Enterprise, away team personnel would be required to enter a decontamination chamber upon their return, rub a specific gel into their skin and be exposed to some type of radiation (like futuristic Ultra Violet, etc) to decontaminate them from any type of infection or parasite they may have picked up.
Since the producers liked to pretend to be edgy, the characters had to strip down to their underwear and sensually rub the gel into each other.

But what about holographic communicators?

I just rewatched Future's End. The Doctor's program was transferred to Starling's office. He appeared and Starling removed the communicator. Why? The Doctor was a hologram standing in a 20th century office. Granted, he was being projected by holo-emitters, but they weren't replicators.

It's possible that it was simply easier for Starling to physically remove the combadge - which was fully functioning - from the doc than to mess with the settings and program the emitter to omit it.
I personally think it was just a gaffe.

 

[dswynne1]

Certain items in the holodeck are clearly replicated instead of holo-projected, such as food and drink.

So it must be the same with clothing. In 1979, TMP showed that even in the 23rd century, it was possible to materialize synthesized clothing directly onto a body.

Since people of the future seem to have retained our primitive cultural notions of modesty for the most part, it would be embarrassing if you had to leave the holodeck in an emergency situation but then have your clothes vanish the instant you exited.

Kor

It's not about "modesty". You need to have something for protection and identification. Otherwise, how will you know who is in charge, and what position you have? Even in during the pre-historical period on Earth, there were some sort of clothing that was used for tribalistic purposes, such as head-dress and decorative beads to denote status. Of course, there is the sanitary aspect to having clothes. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and there have been numerous pushes to allow people the option to wear clothes in public, and the usual reason for the pushback has primarily been for sanitation reason. And personally, I don't want to sit anywhere there was a "butt imprint". Disgusting...

At any rate, given GR libertine attitudes towards sexuality, as shown by his numerous futuristic shows/movies he had put out during the 1970s, form-fitting, unisex and androgynous fashions would be the rule of the day, not to mention near-naked to naked appearances would be the norm. Hence, the TMP uniforms and fashion.

-DSW

 

[FormerLurker]

Of course, there is the sanitary aspect to having clothes. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and there have been numerous pushes to allow people the option to wear clothes in public, and the usual reason for the pushback has primarily been for sanitation reason. And personally, I don't want to sit anywhere there was a "butt imprint". Disgusting...

Nudist and clothing optional resorts require those that are bottomless to carry around a towel or equivalent to sit on, so no one has to sit on a "butt imprint". Any law or ordinance for a municipal setting should carry the same language, or the pushback is justified.