They had two when the Doctor gave the female Viidian a holo body and they also had a holographic diagnostic program trying to fix the doctor.
Holo-Tuvix
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Lynx may be thinking of Red Dwarf, where that was a problem.
The Doctor made a point of explaining how tiny a back up of a fleshy was, compared to his own robust personality.
Millions or maybe billions of Bynars, their totality, were stored on the Enterprise D's hard drive in 10010001. Of course they probably had collapsible souls, and edited their memories for storage.
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That's correct. I didn't think about that.
I wasn't actually thinking of Red Dwarf, more of Voyager's holodeck capacity being limited.
But as Takeru points out, They had Denara Pel who was in sickbay for a while.
And you are right about the Bynars.
So maybe they just didn't like Tuvix.
That's correct. I didn't think about that.
I wasn't actually thinking of Red Dwarf, more of Voyager's holodeck capacity being limited.
But as Takeru points out, They had Denara Pel who was in sickbay for a while.
And you are right about the Bynars.
So maybe they just didn't like Tuvix.
In the book, the captain of the Red Dwarf, was a woman, surname: Kirk.
It's almost Star Trek.
You'd be creating an approximation, like Geordi's holo-Leah. While the hologram might evolve toward sentience as others did, given enough time and computer space, it wouldn't be the Tuvix who was lost.
My preferred means of bringing back Tuvix for an encore appearance is far simpler...
For a "one and done" encore appearance, in "Shattered", one of the time periods visited is during Tuvix's lifetime.
To make him recurring, do what I did: create an alternate universe where Tuvix was spared (maybe he asked the Doc to speak for him instead of Kes). Then, just Tasha Yar him into the canon timeline from there. Voila, you have Tuvok, Neelix, and Tuvix, your flour and eggs and sugar AND the cake you baked as well.
My preferred means of bringing back Tuvix for an encore appearance is far simpler...
For a "one and done" encore appearance, in "Shattered", one of the time periods visited is during Tuvix's lifetime.
To make him recurring, do what I did: create an alternate universe where Tuvix was spared (maybe he asked the Doc to speak for him instead of Kes). Then, just Tasha Yar him into the canon timeline from there. Voila, you have Tuvok, Neelix, and Tuvix, your flour and eggs and sugar AND the cake you baked as well.
I still think it would be uneasy. Suppose we two had such a transporter accident, creating 'At Dish' who retains the same memories we do of any life event prior to the accident of both our lives, and only independent memories after that point.
Not saying they should have, only that they could have.
If the holocharacters we saw were actually alive, then turning them off, or deleting their programs was murder, and then massmurder.
Voyager was a mobile abitoir, leaving a bloody red trail of stew-like holographic entrails behind its tailgate as if she was a prop plane in the Indiana Jones Trilogy.
The Captain has the moral authority to say you're not going to come home.
If the holograms were real people, which they are not, B'Elanna would have made the holodecks detachable, as ersatz escape pods.
If the holograms were real people, which they are not, B'Elanna would have made the holodecks detachable, as ersatz escape pods.
No need for that. Just have all sentient holograms stored in detachable bioneural gelpacks, and take those packs along when evacuating. The holodeck is just a vehicle.
But you're right, most holograms are indeed not sentient. And there should be failsafes in place to stop them from becoming so.
Turning them off is like putting them down for a nap, or in stasis. not murder. They can be re-activated anytime afterwards, barring tech problems.
Morons in the 90s were told that their Furbies were Heuristic, the more you talk to one, the more English it picks up, until it can generate unique sentences and have entire conversations with the kids who loved those ugly critters more than their own grandparents.
Honestly, the software just had a delay, so that every couple months, it would drop a new sentence from it's reserve library, it had never said before, which would amaze the children and frighten the adults, about how they were going to lose a war to these ugly buggers one day.
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I suppose you could program unconsciousness into them, or a life inside the program when they're not activated.
Like the premise for Gabrielle Meyers' "Timeless" series, where the main character(s) in each book have 2-3 separate lives in different time periods, falling asleep in one life and awakening in another, back and forth, until they turn 21, at which point they must choose one life and lose the others. So, the holocharacter could live a normal life inside their deactivated program, only to go away on business/go to sleep/duck into a closet and be reactivated again.
https://www.goodreads.com/series/332941-timeless
Like the premise for Gabrielle Meyers' "Timeless" series, where the main character(s) in each book have 2-3 separate lives in different time periods, falling asleep in one life and awakening in another, back and forth, until they turn 21, at which point they must choose one life and lose the others. So, the holocharacter could live a normal life inside their deactivated program, only to go away on business/go to sleep/duck into a closet and be reactivated again.
https://www.goodreads.com/series/332941-timeless
24th century tech needs a computer the size of a Mazda Miata to store a program as robust as the Doctor, even though ten years earlier Moriarty was partitioned into a portable dvd player... So his program, although sentient, within the lore of the show, is far sleeker than the doctor.
It just occurred to me that the crew has tried to recreate The Doctor, and failed miserably. Danara Pel was successfully transplanted into a holographic body, but her program had to be turned off regularly to preserve her mind.
What evidence do we have that Kim or Torres, the closest people onboard to "experts" in holographic programming, would fare any better with a holo-Tuvix?
What evidence do we have that Kim or Torres, the closest people onboard to "experts" in holographic programming, would fare any better with a holo-Tuvix?
Ten bucks says Moriarty got left behind in the wreckage of the D on Veridian III, and then his box got recycled by the salvage crew that did mop up. Oops.
Free will.
As a sentient hologram with free will and access to two worlds, one where I am a hero and everything is perfect, and a second where i have to teach Harry Kim to windsurf while he cups my ass, and I'm not allowed to slap him?
Reality is hell, by comparison. Kill all humans.
Hard to collect on that one, since we never find out. My theory is that the holo-gadget ran at higher speed than reality, so Moriarty lived out several decades of amazing adventures, before dying peacefully in bed round about the timeline of "Phantasms", never realizing the truth.
