Holo-Tuvix

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Since we already have a holographic crew member who was modeled after a living individual (in The Doctor's case, his creator, which makes sense - who knows more about him than he does?), why couldn't B'Elanna and The Doctor create a holo-Tuvix, to preserve who he was uniquely? Better than out and out obliteration. At least he gets to live on, somehow.

 

[Orac]

Perhaps because after the Tuvix incident, Tuvok mind melded everyone on the ship to; FORGET.

Spoiler

Similar to what Spock did at the end of Requiem for Methuselah.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

That would be time consuming. And The Doctor would have to remember; he's already had to deal with "forgetting" someone who died.

 

[Michael]

Oh, a Tuvix thread! How quaint.

I think if you wanted to find a way to have your Tuvok & Neelix and keep your Tuvix too there would have been any number of ways to achieve that goal. A fan-favorite solution that constantly is brought up during these kind of discussion seems to be duplicating Tuvix à la “Second Chances”, then keep one of them and split the other into Tuvox and Neelix. Having a holographic version of Tuvix is a new one for me, though, but I’m sure there’s a multitude of ways the writers could have come up with some treknobabble solution.

But the point is, they didn’t want to do that. Because not only would that keep them from hitting the infamous reset button at the end of the episode and bring everything back to the status quo for the next episode, more importantly it would also rob the episode of its key moral dilemma, arguably making it a weaker, less poignant outing. “Tuvix” isn’t a perfect episode, but I doubt it would have gotten its almost legendary status in fandom had the end featured some happy tech solution that saves everyone.

I’ll say that, it would have been kinda nice if they had found a way to bring Tuvix back as a guest on a later episode, maybe with that holo idea you’re proposing. But I only like that idea because I really enjoyed the character and thought Tom Wright was great in the role.

 

[Ragitsu]

How about featuring Holo-Tuvix as a leprechaun in Fair Haven? That way, there will be two things everyone loves...combined in perfect harmony like peanut butter and jelly.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

If he wants to set off on his own, they can accommodate him somehow - outfit a shuttle with hologenerators. Or, alternately, they could Moriarty him.

 

[Tosk]

Keeping an A.I. copy of Tuvix doesn't help Tuvix out though, and that's kind of the point. Xerox Tuvix would be all kinds of awful. "Hey, we couldn't keep the real guy around so we destroyed him...but we have a fake one if you're curious?"

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Both halves of him are preserved, and perhaps even the orchid. Not as a whole person, but at least they didn't have to eliminate his component parts.

If you don't tell him he's a hologram and let him think that they figured out a way to save their crew members and him, then let him go on his merry way to explore the galaxy, he may never know.

 

[Tosk]

If you don't tell him he's a hologram and let him think that they figured out a way to save their crew members and him, then let him go on his merry way to explore the galaxy, he may never know.

So you killed the real guy, then made a copy of him and lied to them. How does that even anything out?

I doubt you'd be cool if someone decided to kill you but kept a copy so that they didn't have to miss you so much.

If it's no big deal, then they could have let Tuvix live and just make copies of Neelix and Tuvok.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I'm not saying it's right, just that they could have done it, plotwise, and kept the character alive in a way. We've had people in Trek who got robot bodies before, or who were replaced by robots and didn't know it (although that happened after the live person was irretrievably lost.)

Imagine if they had made a holo version, and instead of being an active participant in ship life like the Doctor, Tuvix had preferred to lurk and haunt the ship. "I know what you did last stardate!"

If it's no big deal, then they could have let Tuvix live and just make copies of Neelix and Tuvok.

Someone'd make some argument that they began as living organic individuals, and it's imperative to return them to same if possible.

 

[Ragitsu]

That reminds me...

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[Tosk]

Someone'd make some argument that they began as living organic individuals,

So did Tuvix.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Yeah, that wouldn't really solve the question of what to do about Tuvix. You'd have to get the entire crew to agree to lie to holo-Tuvix, and hope he doesn't figure things out on his own.

When the Doctor stumbled onto the fact that he had missing memories of a time when he ran into an intractable conflict in his programming, the crew tried to cover it up again but failed. So, history shows us that holo-Tuvix would eventually stumble onto the truth about his existence, too.

Personally, I think Janeway made the right choice, even if it seems cold. Tuvix was never meant to exist, so restoring her two crew members preserves their existence, even if it meant that a transporter accident had to be corrected.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I was watching Stupid Pet Tricks this morning, Rain Robinson's new TV show, where her guest said that she was sad about her dead dog, until a very reputable pet Psychic found where her dead dog had reincarnated to, and she adopted that Dog for a small fortune.

Everyone wanted Tuvix dead, they all killed him, and then they washed their hands of his memory.

 

[Ragitsu]

*retches*

 

[somebuddyX]

I was going to say they should have done a "Tom Riker" on Tuvix and then split one of the Tuvix's into Tuvok and Neelix so you have the most of both worlds. And then I thought, that's boring. What they should have done is done a "The Enemy Within" on Tuvix and split him into good and evil parts. Then have one as the tactical officer and one as the chef but keep randomising when that happens and keep it a secret from the crew.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I was going to say they should have done a "Tom Riker" on Tuvix and then split one of the Tuvix's into Tuvok and Neelix so you have the most of both worlds. And then I thought, that's boring. What they should have done is done a "The Enemy Within" on Tuvix and split him into good and evil parts. Then have one as the tactical officer and one as the chef but keep randomising when that happens and keep it a secret from the crew.

Tuvok and Neelix are prisoners being Tortured.

They were aware, and inside Tuvix screaming to be free.

If you make a Tuvix, every time you make another Tuvix, you might as well be throwing another naked Neelix and another naked Tuvok into a bath tub full of razor blades.

How many dozens of Tuvoks and Neelix's have to bathe in a lemony nest of safety razors, together, until it's wrong?

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

Tuvok and Neelix are prisoners being Tortured.

They were aware, and inside Tuvix screaming to be free.

If you make a Tuvix, every time you make another Tuvix, you might as well be throwing another naked Neelix and another naked Tuvok into a bath tub full of razor blades.

How many dozens of Tuvoks and Neelix's have to bathe in a lemony nest of safety razors, together, until it's wrong?

Twelve. No, wait... Thirteen!

 

[Takeru]

Holo-Tuvix would have been a constant reminder that they murdered a sentient being to get their friends back.

 

[Lynx]

Maybe it was impossible to have two holopersons on the ship due to limited computer capacity.