Hey, I never noticed that before....
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M'Benga was Chapel and Sanchez was Mboya in the first draft script. In the final draft script, they kept Chapel but replaced Mboya with M'Benga. Finally, in the revised final draft, Chapel was replaced with M'Benga and then Sanchez was added. Whew.
I like M'Benga but what shame. Chapel could have actually done something useful. Why did so many of the revisions seem to make the female crew increasingly pointless?
Sounds pretty out of character for her, honestly.
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Erm... she hosted Spock's consciousness, used reverse psychology, and made a mean (literally) ice cream. Yeah, you're right, I got nothing.
She also combined with Harry Mudd to set up a date rape situation with Spock in the Animated series.
Oof, shocking trope. I always thought that the plots about men totally lying to women to trick them into a relationship was a ludicrous plot device over-used in the sixties and seventies until my friend started internet dating recently and found that it is the norm, even today. But those cheeky lads were the heroes of those 70s sitcoms.
It might have been better if Chapel had obtained a sample to catch out Mudd and used it on Spock either accidentally, or as part of a controlled experiment, because they assumed that his logical mind would be able to resist any behaviour modification, but I think that would have been too complex a plot for a 20 minute cartoon. No means no, Christine.
Well I think Chapel backed off when Spock got too OOT. I'd like to think that she would have backed off anyway (and that would have been good to see).
The thing that makes me laugh about this episode is the bro hug between Kirk and Spock and the drug makes them "best friends".
Sorry for the "double post" here but its almost a week apart.
So I watched Turnabout Intruder today. I'm one of the few who likes this episode for some reason despite all the sexist talk. Obvously Lester is a big fat liar and Kirk is indulging her.
But I just noticed how future justice just sucks in this episode. Is Spock entitled to a lawyer? Is McCoy or Scotty. Those 2 didn't even get a trial. Can you just execute on some dubious taken out of context sound recording?
I think Kirk has about the same authority to execute his crew as my boss has to execute me ( Yeh come into my Office CommishSleer. I heard you bitching about me to Ensign Ricky over there. Your Execution is scheduled for lunchtime today. )
Has anyone ever been executed for mutiny (even in the bad old British days) for just for talking about it. I mean Spock neck pinched a couple of redshirts but he'd be dead many times if that were a criteria for execution.
And then at the end everyone seems to be forgiven. You know try to kill Kirk, actually kill your employees and lets just look after you.
So I watched Turnabout Intruder today. I'm one of the few who likes this episode for some reason despite all the sexist talk. Obvously Lester is a big fat liar and Kirk is indulging her.
But I just noticed how future justice just sucks in this episode. Is Spock entitled to a lawyer? Is McCoy or Scotty. Those 2 didn't even get a trial. Can you just execute on some dubious taken out of context sound recording?
I think Kirk has about the same authority to execute his crew as my boss has to execute me ( Yeh come into my Office CommishSleer. I heard you bitching about me to Ensign Ricky over there. Your Execution is scheduled for lunchtime today. )
Has anyone ever been executed for mutiny (even in the bad old British days) for just for talking about it. I mean Spock neck pinched a couple of redshirts but he'd be dead many times if that were a criteria for execution.
And then at the end everyone seems to be forgiven. You know try to kill Kirk, actually kill your employees and lets just look after you.
I like this episode, too. To the confused crew, a hearing for mutiny conducted by the Captain may seem acceptable, but him/her ordering execution is not a legal order per Starfleet code. After that point, the bridge crew (Sulu, Chekov and Lysa) refused to follow the Captain's orders once they discussed the situation among themselves.
True but Chekov was concerned that security would go along with it like a bunch of jackbooted brownshirts.
The Horatio Hornblower novels suggest that a Royal Navy captain whose ship is alone at sea could order pretty much anything, and see it done. But I'm pretty sure, I have to suppose, that if he hanged a crewman there would be a formal inquiry when he got back to England. And the invention of radio changed everything.
Regarding the easy forgiveness of Lester and Coleman, that was ridiculous. But also, all is forgiven for Kirk, even though his outrageous behavior was caused by an invisible and wildly unlikely circumstance, and only Spock, McCoy, and Scotty really see enough to have faith. Even if the crew believed a ship-wide announcement of Kirk's excuse ("a likely story!"), Starfleet Command would have big problems with it (same for "The Enemy Within"). The current-day U.S. Navy relieves ship captains for the tiniest reason. Kirk wouldn't last three episodes under Navy standards.
I never got the impression that all was forgiven. It was my take that Lester was going to go away to probably Dr. Cory's facility (she'll get to meet Captain Garth, yay!) and Coleman was going with her, both to assist in her treatment and to serve his own sentence when passed.
As for Kirk being relieved, he may have been. Perhaps even more than once. But as we saw with Court Martial, he was able to pass muster before an inquiry and was returned to duty. The main thing he needed to be able to do was prove he could effectively command going forward, and that is something Starfleet has seldom doubted, if at all.
Well, depends on what happened after they got to Starbase. "All is forgiven," I'm sure, after a fashion. They could very well have had an inquiry, but the series ended here, so we don't know. Lester actually recorded logs as Kirk, apparently, so I'm sure Kirk filed his report, had a debriefing with the Commodore of the Week, his officers backed him up and that was that. Kirk committed no crime.
I'm sure Lester and Coleman didn't sail off into the sunset. She's guilty of first degree murder at the very least and he was an accomplice, Again, we didn't get to see what happened next. The story, as far as the identity crisis is concerned, is over. As @FormerLurker suggests, they probably went to Elba II where Janice was treated and Coleman served out his sentence.
For killing the rest of the expedition to Camus II? That would depend upon whether she's not guilty by reason of insanity.
Yeah good point. I'm sure Samuel Cogley would be able to get her off with just treatment.
Coleman though...
It's Star Trek though. If Starfleet held every mind control/body switch/alternate universe double/transporter clone/quantum duplicate/shapeshifter/robot double incident against their officers, who'd be left?
I am not a very big exbert on the subject but the notorious case of mutiny or maybe "mutiny" on the U.S.S. Somers in 1842 is somewhat comprable.. I think that Captain Mackenzie was very lucky. If I had been Secretary of War Spencer, I would have gone with a lot of soldiers to where the Somers was docked, seized control of the ship, and hanged Mackenzie without a trial. Or at least been very strongly tempted to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somers_Mutiny
