Xenylon doesn't itch, I guess.
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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Yes, it was explained. Everyone on every starship has the arrowhead. What isn't explained is why the mistake was made in Doomsday Machine and Omega Glory that crew members are seen wearing non-starship patches.
I wonder if for Doomsday the thought was that the commodore rank would use a different patch, similar to their rationale for admirals. Tracy's in Omega Glory I'm sure was because by then a number of production folks had started thinking different patches for different ships based on Decker's being different.
'Spock's Brain'...........when Kara beams onto the Enterprise, there are no crew members visible on the right side of the bridge. After she stuns everyone, she walks past the knocked out Bill Blackburn and Frank Vinci, who are suddenly there. There is no sign of Eddie Paski. Then in the opening of the first act, the camera pans over the same side of the bridge. Blackburn and Vinci are still there, but now Paski is laying between them and Roger Holloway.
The patches that Decker and Tracy are wearing have the command division star on them.
Decker's did not, though I think some publications later retconned it to have one.
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Having done a review of the episode, you are correct. Must have been Franz Joseph's doing. He seemed at times to want everything to look that way he wanted, rather than the way it was.
My explanation for the different badges are that they are not related to specific ships, but, rather, to fleet divisions within the overall Star Fleet. So the Enterprise and the non-Enterprise crew in "Court Martial" are all in the same sub-fleet. But Decker, Tracey, et al were in other sub-fleets.
Let's say the Enterprise was in the "First Fleet" and that the First Fleet's insignia would eventually be adopted fleetwide for reasons.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
--Alex
Let's say the Enterprise was in the "First Fleet" and that the First Fleet's insignia would eventually be adopted fleetwide for reasons.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
--Alex
not sure if thisnis the right place to ask it but seems ridiculous to start a whole new thread on it : i was wonding if spocks fascinating " was actually scripted or an ad -lib that just became a perfect response : wondering this because watching enterprise : of clurse thinking about t'pol reactions to experiencing humans : i was thinking how absolutley perfect writing is the one word response to situations : in particular inwas watching her wordy reveiw of frankenstein and instant flash backs of all those times when spock would observe sometbing and respond that single word and what an amazngly all incompassing statement it was. like i said i know this is a lot of topic so will probably get more admin hate mail but it seemed the most appropriate forum wothout starting a new thread to see if anyone knew if itwas actually scripted or an ad-lib character creation like the vulcan salute?
Let's be honest, changing the insignia of crewmen on different ships was just a later idea, right?
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Not a "later" idea; an idea that was implemented unilaterally by Bill Theiss, which producers, upon discovery, decided it was a mistake, not to be repeated. It wasn't.
I think it was a good idea but how do the Trek historians actually explain it? I mean the men on the starbase four and the crew of The Defiant (whom to me looked like they were wearing star shaped designs on their chests as well!)
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You're thinking of Geoffry Mandel's Officer's Manual, Franz Joseph used the arrowhead for everything, he did however make up some new devices to include inside the arrowhead (the Greek letters gamma and pi).
It seems odd that Theiss would do it without approval. I'd think he got approval from someone, but obviously not as high up the decision chain as Justman. (Or maybe it's one of those things which was signed off somewhat absent-mindedly by the producers, while they were preoccupied with more pressing distractions that had come up concurrently.)
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Right.
Right, again.Decker's did not, though I think some publications later retconned it to have one.
dont really have to explain it if you have served in the military you dont think about it for example i have some awards that people that joined after me do not have because the ohased the award out or you have somethings from nato or being overseas that are not standard also when they change unuforms you have like a 3 year oportunity to chamge over so you can wear old or new sometimes both mixed : thisnis the cas with american military : so it falls with in thebsuspension of disblief for the viewer second the oeople in starfleet wouldnt think anything if it : things just change out as you are un able to get ahold of the old . so maybe for a term the tried indiidual insignia then they were like nah :but also it might even be like combat badges where you can wear anyone in a unit u served or none at all : once served with a platoon sgt that had a combat badge for almost every day of the week
No, I am not talking about the arrowhead, or as a friend of mine calls it, the four-sided triangle. I am talking about what I mentioned in my first post, seen above, the Command Star emblem inside the arrowhead. I don't remember where I saw it, and thus it may not have been Franz Joseph who did the art for it, but I did see art for the other ship patches which had the emblems seen in the arrowhead, including putting one on the Exeter patch, which it clearly did not have. If it was Geoffrey Mandel's book, then that's where I saw it. But the still J.T.B. posted clearly shows that the later illustration was wrong.
Even then, that doesn't change the fact that Franz Joseph had certain ideas about how Star Trek imagery should look.
I think it was in the script.
Shocked and sad to admit that until I came across this article, I had no idea engineering changed so much throughout the series. I was only aware of the addition of the steps and second level.
Wow, I never noticed a lot of that either! Thank you for the link.
Interesting that the damaged circuitry was re-used too.
