She threw David under the bus and disappeared.
I never pegged her as a devil woman till now.
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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I never pegged her as a devil woman till now.
wait! You mean it’s not real? The thermians would like a word with you, right now
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Or in this setting, perhaps out of the air tram.She threw David under the bus and disappeared.
In universe, Genesis was probably setting up a subspace bubble that may have interfered with everything. I never liked the FASA notion of beaming a warp bubble ahead of itself..but a plasma torpedo kicking off patterns…sounds like a junior league Big Bang…thus “protomatter” makes sense.
Remember though it used unstable protomatter so maybe David knew attempting anything would fail or cause immediate explosion
I'm thinking a protomatter explosion is much worse then conventional weapons going off because of the unknown effects of such an explosion.
I never liked the shade thrown back her way (for those of us who saw TWOK).
SAAVIK: Protomatter. An unstable substance which every ethical scientist in the galaxy has denounced as dangerously unpredictable.
Either she was complicit and therefore unethical, or she was naively duped by her own son. Either way, not a nice sentiment.
Star Trek III trampled a few things, including the Enterprise itself, to achieve its story purpose and undo the consequences of Star Trek II. Which is not to say I hate ST III, but the film functioned as a repair job for a franchise that wanted Spock back.
David had a little bit of his dad's cunning and Admiral Marcus's ability to hide giant spaceships on people's back yards, I mean protomatter inside the genesis device.
It's like the movie Interstellar where Murph becomes a great astrophysicist in her own right and yet continues to be duped year after year by John Brand's deceits. They show them still working with equations on blackboards like they're Bohr and Einstein. I realize it was done for viewers to understand math-and-sciency-stuff-being-done-by-people-smarter-than-i-am has to be shown in some identifiable way and the two of them using Matlab or virtual goggles wouldn't be that compelling.
It must be assumed that in that case Brand wasn't necessarily brighter than Murph, but he'd traind himself over the years to be a good con artist and steer anyone who came close to what he'd done in another direction. Those closest to him, and Murph was by that point almost an adopted granddaughter, would never have suspected what he'd done, and so they weren't looking for it.
In the same way, my guess is similar about David's deception. Obviously none of this comes from TWOK but the lore gets enriched over time. Carol Marcus probably just wasn't suspecting her son introduced that variable. And it doesn't have to be some suspicious glowing blue jar of The Expanse's protomatter, either. It may simple have been somehow an obscure part of the process, a cheat he'd hidden inside of billions of lines of code to get what he wanted done.
And it seemed to work on the small scale, inside Regula. If it had worked on the macro he could have eventually confessed smuggly and said "but it works"
And he may or may not have had a bigwig badmiral working for Section 31 that could have given information on the prohibited substance bypassing his mother.
I don't think it cheapens Carol Marcus' role. What she managed to do with her son remains the most incredible invention in Star Trek, two cool to use again apparently. She just didn't suspect her son would deceive her.
It's like the movie Interstellar where Murph becomes a great astrophysicist in her own right and yet continues to be duped year after year by John Brand's deceits. They show them still working with equations on blackboards like they're Bohr and Einstein. I realize it was done for viewers to understand math-and-sciency-stuff-being-done-by-people-smarter-than-i-am has to be shown in some identifiable way and the two of them using Matlab or virtual goggles wouldn't be that compelling.
It must be assumed that in that case Brand wasn't necessarily brighter than Murph, but he'd traind himself over the years to be a good con artist and steer anyone who came close to what he'd done in another direction. Those closest to him, and Murph was by that point almost an adopted granddaughter, would never have suspected what he'd done, and so they weren't looking for it.
In the same way, my guess is similar about David's deception. Obviously none of this comes from TWOK but the lore gets enriched over time. Carol Marcus probably just wasn't suspecting her son introduced that variable. And it doesn't have to be some suspicious glowing blue jar of The Expanse's protomatter, either. It may simple have been somehow an obscure part of the process, a cheat he'd hidden inside of billions of lines of code to get what he wanted done.
And it seemed to work on the small scale, inside Regula. If it had worked on the macro he could have eventually confessed smuggly and said "but it works"
And he may or may not have had a bigwig badmiral working for Section 31 that could have given information on the prohibited substance bypassing his mother.
I don't think it cheapens Carol Marcus' role. What she managed to do with her son remains the most incredible invention in Star Trek, two cool to use again apparently. She just didn't suspect her son would deceive her.
The thing in The Expanse was different it was called a protomolecule, but I'm not sure if you can say it was the same thing as protomatter.
I'm surprised things like the Genesis Device never got mentioned except in passing in later series, surely the process could have been refined and made safer to use.
I'm surprised things like the Genesis Device never got mentioned except in passing in later series, surely the process could have been refined and made safer to use.
I was just joking about that. I don't think they are the same, though I think the authors of the Expanse novels might have been influenced by TWOK.. dangerous unpredictable substance that transform entire planets but is best forgotten about.
Star Trek has a long continuing history of never being able to replicate an invention. 1000 years into the future no one hit on the idea of the spore drive, either. Thank goodness Zephram Cochraine got it right the first time, or they'd still be waiting for warp drive by the time V'ger came calling.
You mean the writers never found a decent way to bring stuff like Genesis back
As much as I love TSFS, which remains my favorite Trek film, I agree that it exists to undo some damage. However, if the series ended there, it would have been more of a shakeup than a repair job (the Enterprise gone and the crew pretty much criminals). TVH was the hard reset as Carol is once again ignored, David is mentioned briefly and then forgotten and Saavik is rudely and ridiculously pushed aside. I still feel a log entry stating she returned to starfleet, since she wasn't guilty of anything, and offering testimony at the trail, would have been a lot less of an insulting exit than her cameo on Vulcan without explanation. She doesn't even show up at the end to watch everyone be exonerated. She, like David and Carol, are forgotten so they can reset everyone to their TV series positions. Harve felt like they needed to restore the status quo, but that just removed whatever reality the passage of time gave them.
Then Kirk climbed that mountain....
Hey, back on topic, you know what I never noticed before? Sulu's pants have pockets in The Naked Time.
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Nice catch. In the book Star Trek Lives! (1975), Joan Winston chronicles her visit to the set of "Turnabout Intruder." At one point, Jimmy Doohan pulls out a pack of cigarettes, and she says something like "I thought the uniforms weren't supposed to have pockets." And he said something like "Well, that's just one of our little secrets." I don't recall the exact quotes, but it's in the book.
Theiss must have made some breeches from scratch that had no pockets, but also procured some regular trousers and just shortened them to save time. And those were the ones with pockets.
I have two memories as a child, both are creations or just misremembering, but one was of Kirk standing in his uniform with his hands in his pockets.
The other was someone beaming off the ship on a bridge transporter platform.
I'm thinking there were created by my subconscious by kinda but not-really-noticing Sulu had pockets and Sulu saying "someone beaming down from the bridge" in "Shore Leave."
Fricking Sulu...
Thanks for articulating this. I guess this is why I never really liked st3, and I’m glad someone was finally able to explain my discomfort.
Saavik stayed on Vulcan to have Spock's baby in secret.
It's not in the finished film. As far as the audience is concerned, Saavik (who doesn't have so much as a bump after 3 months) just walks onto the BoP, says a few lines, and stays behind.
Many women don't show a bump after 3 months either.
Anyway it wasn't ruled out.
I honestly thought after seeing TSFS that that was the reason she stayed behind on Vulcan with Amanda.
It wasn't even hinted at, either.
