Hey a couple of random things.

[Gingerbread Demon]

Just watched this today and howcome when the drill was attacking Earth not one aircraft or defense ship tried to shoot the drill down to shut it off?

Was everyone literally waiting for Kirk and company to do this for them somewhere out in space?

Doesn't Earth have defenses?

Also old Spock and new Spock wasn't old Spock from the Prime universe so they're not the same person literally are they?

Also this version of Pike. No Talosians? No funky wheelchair that beeps? Or will that happen later?

 

[Tosk]

Just watched this today and howcome when the drill was attacking Earth not one aircraft or defense ship tried to shoot the drill down to shut it off?

Been asking that myself for a long time. It's a JJ movie.

Also this version of Pike. No Talosians? No funky wheelchair that beeps? Or will that happen later?

No wheelchair at all in the alt timeline.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Just watched this today and howcome when the drill was attacking Earth not one aircraft or defense ship tried to shoot the drill down to shut it off?

Was everyone literally waiting for Kirk and company to do this for them somewhere out in space?

In what? The fleet was destroyed over Vulcan. If more reinforcements were on the way, they wouldn't have arrived soon enough to make a difference.

Doesn't Earth have defenses?

Literally never in Star Trek.
EDIT: I just remembered, Nero presumably got Earth's defence codes from Pike using the Ceti Eel he dropped down his throat.

Also old Spock and new Spock wasn't old Spock from the Prime universe so they're not the same person literally are they?

Old Spock is supposed to be the guy from TOS. He even carries a photo from Star Trek V around with him, which you see in Star Trek Beyond. Zachary Quinto's Spock's life diverges quite a bit from that of his older self when his world is destroyed and his mother killed.

Also this version of Pike. No Talosians? No funky wheelchair that beeps? Or will that happen later?

Not in this timeline. The idea is everything from Kirk's birth going onwards happens differently.

Spoiler: Huge Pike destiny difference

In this world, he's killed by Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness.

 

[Tosk]

In what? The fleet was destroyed over Vulcan.

There's not one single craft of any kind nearby? I find that incredibly hard to believe, even in a "The Enterprise is the only starship in range" universe. Not one shuttle or police craft around?

Ceti Eel

Centaurian slug.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Nero had a jamming field.

Less advanced tech lost power in proximity to the Narada.

As a mining vessel, the Narada also had an immense drilling apparatus, which was a platform at the end of a lengthy metal line seemingly hundreds of kilometers long. The drill emitted a powerful beam that could penetrate a planet's surface and continue all the way to its core. The high energy output from the beam itself also acted as a disruptor of sorts, causing localized interference in communications and transporter signals.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Narada

 

[Smellmet]

STID is an equally bad offender on this. Federation flagship getting the shit kicked out of it in earth orbit by an unknown super sized vessel and nobody does a damn thing about it, it's arguably even worse as there was no compromised codes or destroyed fleet.

It's a shame because an epic space battle is what the film lacked, the warp attack was awesome but just too short and unsatisfactory.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

It's a neat idea for a story.

Could you lower something like that down from a ship in geostationary orbit to a planet?

 

[Tosk]

Nero had a jamming field.

Less advanced tech lost power in proximity to the Narada.



https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Narada

Doesn't effect ships, we saw the shuttle work just fine nearby.

 

[fireproof78]

STID is an equally bad offender on this. Federation flagship getting the shit kicked out of it in earth orbit by an unknown super sized vessel and nobody does a damn thing about it, it's arguably even worse as there was no compromised codes or destroyed fleet.

It's a shame because an epic space battle is what the film lacked, the warp attack was awesome but just too short and unsatisfactory.

Except there is a story reason for why no one would do anything. I can agree that I would want a large starship battle, but the idea of no one doing anything makes sense in the story.

 

[Smellmet]

Except there is a story reason for why no one would do anything. I can agree that I would want a large starship battle, but the idea of no one doing anything makes sense in the story.

What's the reason though? I thought this thing was a top secret starship? Surely earth defences would do something wouldn't they? I guess the admiral contacted them and got them to stand down I guess. It just seemed odd at the time to me but I suppose it can be explained away.

 

[fireproof78]

What's the reason though? I thought this thing was a top secret starship? Surely earth defences would do something wouldn't they? I guess the admiral contacted them and got them to stand down I guess. It just seemed odd at the time to me but I suppose it can be explained away.

Simple. Admiral Marcus told them that the Enterprise was rogue and he was pursuing. As Chief of Starfleet Operations, he only has to answer to the Federation Council and could easily spin to suit his narrative.

It didn't strike me as odd at all...

 

[Smellmet]

Simple. Admiral Marcus told them that the Enterprise was rogue and he was pursuing. As Chief of Starfleet Operations, he only has to answer to the Federation Council and could easily spin to suit his narrative.

It didn't strike me as odd at all...

I get that, and I do agree with your analysis, but admirals orders or not surely the presence of that massive starship in earth orbit, that no-one outside section 31 has ever clapped eyes on should elicit some sort of response from earths defenses. Even if they'd have suddenly surrounded them with ships and held their positions it would have added some more tension or stakes to the sequence. Even if they just scrambled some of those shitty little fighters like the ones from yorktown in Beyond as a precaution, would have seemed like a credible thing to happen in this situation.

But... What you said still stands and holds up to be fair so it's not really an issue for me, more just something I'd have liked to have seen more than anything.

 

[fireproof78]

But... What you said still stands and holds up to be fair so it's not really an issue for me, more just something I'd have liked to have seen more than anything.

Don't get me wrong. I would love an explanation, same with Khan's appearance. Two lines would be all that it needs. It just doesn't bother me as much is all.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Khan was I believe studio meddling. The John Harrison character was how it was supposed to play out.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

No funky wheelchair that beeps? Or will that happen later?

Not in this universe. He does briefly spend time in a more normal wheelchair when Kirk is given official captaincy of the Enterprise as he is still recovering from his kidnapping injuries.

 

[pst]

It's a JJ movie.

right because abrams is the first one to tell a star trek story where earth is bafflingly unguarded by starfleet or planetary defenses.

 

[Tosk]

right because abrams is the first one to tell a star trek story where earth is bafflingly unguarded by starfleet or planetary defenses.

As I also said, "There's not one single craft of any kind nearby? I find that incredibly hard to believe, even in a "The Enterprise is the only starship in range" universe. Not one shuttle or police craft around?"

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I get that, and I do agree with your analysis, but admirals orders or not surely the presence of that massive starship in earth orbit, that no-one outside section 31 has ever clapped eyes on should elicit some sort of response from earths defenses. Even if they'd have suddenly surrounded them with ships and held their positions it would have added some more tension or stakes to the sequence. Even if they just scrambled some of those shitty little fighters like the ones from yorktown in Beyond as a precaution, would have seemed like a credible thing to happen in this situation.

But... What you said still stands and holds up to be fair so it's not really an issue for me, more just something I'd have liked to have seen more than anything.

Admiral Marcus had a model of the Dreadnaught-class Vengeance in his office. Right by the Phoenix and the NX-01. If nobody in Starfleet knew about Vengeance, it was because they weren't paying attention (or Marcus was just hiding it in plain sight).

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Admiral Marcus had a model of the Dreadnaught-class Vengeance in his office. Right by the Phoenix and the NX-01. If nobody in Starfleet knew about Vengeance, it was because they weren't paying attention (or Marcus was just hiding it in plain sight).

And all those ship models were not exactly hidden in that scene either.

Pity none of those was an actual retail model but made for the movie.

 

[F. King Daniel]

And all those ship models were not exactly hidden in that scene either.

Pity none of those was an actual retail model but made for the movie.

You can indeed buy them, but they're the kind of thing where if you have to ask the price you can't afford them