Hey a couple of random things.

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Cyanide Muffin, Apr 13, 2019.

  1. Cyanide Muffin

    Cyanide Muffin All hail Doctor 13 Premium Member

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    Just watched this today and howcome when the drill was attacking Earth not one aircraft or defense ship tried to shoot the drill down to shut it off?

    Was everyone literally waiting for Kirk and company to do this for them somewhere out in space?

    Doesn't Earth have defenses?

    Also old Spock and new Spock wasn't old Spock from the Prime universe so they're not the same person literally are they?

    Also this version of Pike. No Talosians? No funky wheelchair that beeps? Or will that happen later?
     
  2. Tosk

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    Been asking that myself for a long time. It's a JJ movie. :)

    No wheelchair at all in the alt timeline.
     
  3. King Daniel Beyond

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    In what? The fleet was destroyed over Vulcan. If more reinforcements were on the way, they wouldn't have arrived soon enough to make a difference.
    Literally never in Star Trek.:shrug:
    EDIT: I just remembered, Nero presumably got Earth's defence codes from Pike using the Ceti Eel he dropped down his throat.
    Old Spock is supposed to be the guy from TOS. He even carries a photo from Star Trek V around with him, which you see in Star Trek Beyond. Zachary Quinto's Spock's life diverges quite a bit from that of his older self when his world is destroyed and his mother killed.
    Not in this timeline. The idea is everything from Kirk's birth going onwards happens differently.
    In this world, he's killed by Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness.
     
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  4. Tosk

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    There's not one single craft of any kind nearby? I find that incredibly hard to believe, even in a "The Enterprise is the only starship in range" universe. Not one shuttle or police craft around?

    Centaurian slug.
     
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    Nero had a jamming field.

    Less advanced tech lost power in proximity to the Narada.

    https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Narada
     
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    STID is an equally bad offender on this. Federation flagship getting the shit kicked out of it in earth orbit by an unknown super sized vessel and nobody does a damn thing about it, it's arguably even worse as there was no compromised codes or destroyed fleet.

    It's a shame because an epic space battle is what the film lacked, the warp attack was awesome but just too short and unsatisfactory.
     
  7. Cyanide Muffin

    Cyanide Muffin All hail Doctor 13 Premium Member

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    It's a neat idea for a story.

    Could you lower something like that down from a ship in geostationary orbit to a planet?
     
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    Doesn't effect ships, we saw the shuttle work just fine nearby.
     
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    Except there is a story reason for why no one would do anything. I can agree that I would want a large starship battle, but the idea of no one doing anything makes sense in the story.
     
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    What's the reason though? I thought this thing was a top secret starship? Surely earth defences would do something wouldn't they? I guess the admiral contacted them and got them to stand down I guess. It just seemed odd at the time to me but I suppose it can be explained away.
     
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    Simple. Admiral Marcus told them that the Enterprise was rogue and he was pursuing. As Chief of Starfleet Operations, he only has to answer to the Federation Council and could easily spin to suit his narrative.

    It didn't strike me as odd at all...:shrug:
     
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    I get that, and I do agree with your analysis, but admirals orders or not surely the presence of that massive starship in earth orbit, that no-one outside section 31 has ever clapped eyes on should elicit some sort of response from earths defenses. Even if they'd have suddenly surrounded them with ships and held their positions it would have added some more tension or stakes to the sequence. Even if they just scrambled some of those shitty little fighters like the ones from yorktown in Beyond as a precaution, would have seemed like a credible thing to happen in this situation.

    But... What you said still stands and holds up to be fair so it's not really an issue for me, more just something I'd have liked to have seen more than anything.
     
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    Don't get me wrong. I would love an explanation, same with Khan's appearance. Two lines would be all that it needs. It just doesn't bother me as much is all.
     
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    Cyanide Muffin All hail Doctor 13 Premium Member

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    Khan was I believe studio meddling. The John Harrison character was how it was supposed to play out.
     
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    Not in this universe. He does briefly spend time in a more normal wheelchair when Kirk is given official captaincy of the Enterprise as he is still recovering from his kidnapping injuries.
     
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    right because abrams is the first one to tell a star trek story where earth is bafflingly unguarded by starfleet or planetary defenses.
     
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    As I also said, "There's not one single craft of any kind nearby? I find that incredibly hard to believe, even in a "The Enterprise is the only starship in range" universe. Not one shuttle or police craft around?"
     
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    Admiral Marcus had a model of the Dreadnaught-class Vengeance in his office. Right by the Phoenix and the NX-01. If nobody in Starfleet knew about Vengeance, it was because they weren't paying attention (or Marcus was just hiding it in plain sight).
     
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    Cyanide Muffin All hail Doctor 13 Premium Member

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    And all those ship models were not exactly hidden in that scene either.

    Pity none of those was an actual retail model but made for the movie. :(
     
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    You can indeed buy them, but they're the kind of thing where if you have to ask the price you can't afford them:lol: