HEROES..what went wrong?
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RobertScorpio
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Bingo...once they hit reset, and no one, not even Nathan died, it was pretty much downhill from there..
Which is sad...even HIRO, future HIRO, was cool...so was Syler (I liked how we didn't even SEE him until a few episodes in)...
What a waste..
Rob
Hire Kurtzman and Orci. 
People keep saying Season 1 was the best and it was downhill from there. That appears to be the case anyway with most shows (and movies, for that matter). The subsequent seasons (e.g., X-Files) or sequels (e.g., Jurassic Park 2 and 3) eventually lose the magic, mystery, or appeal. Heroes has seen its ups and downs, but I don't think it's a terrible show. It could be better.
People keep saying Season 1 was the best and it was downhill from there. That appears to be the case anyway with most shows (and movies, for that matter). The subsequent seasons (e.g., X-Files) or sequels (e.g., Jurassic Park 2 and 3) eventually lose the magic, mystery, or appeal. Heroes has seen its ups and downs, but I don't think it's a terrible show. It could be better.
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Third season was very shameful, because all of heroes were wanted fugitive and there's no way for me to follow the story more regularly, the writers screwed this up really bad, that's how it went wrong from that point. The direction of Heroes is on the wrong foot...why did they acted like nothing happened?
Hire Kurtzman and Orci.
People keep saying Season 1 was the best and it was downhill from there. That appears to be the case anyway with most shows (and movies, for that matter). The subsequent seasons (e.g., X-Files) or sequels (e.g., Jurassic Park 2 and 3) eventually lose the magic, mystery, or appeal. Heroes has seen its ups and downs, but I don't think it's a terrible show. It could be better.
Actually with a good genre show the later seasons tend to be better since they are still figuring out the formula during the first season. Star Trek, Star Trek TNG, DS9, Babylon 5, I could go on and on ...
I will agree a lot of dramas tend to peak in their first or second season.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Hire Kurtzman and Orci.
People keep saying Season 1 was the best and it was downhill from there. That appears to be the case anyway with most shows (and movies, for that matter). The subsequent seasons (e.g., X-Files) or sequels (e.g., Jurassic Park 2 and 3) eventually lose the magic, mystery, or appeal. Heroes has seen its ups and downs, but I don't think it's a terrible show. It could be better.
Actually with a good genre show the later seasons tend to be better since they are still figuring out the formula during the first season. Star Trek, Star Trek TNG, DS9, Babylon 5, I could go on and on ...
I will agree a lot of dramas tend to peak in their first or second season.
They need more characters that wear Sombreros..thats all they need to become more of a hit...
Rob
Well I haven't watched Heroes since the second season, but I still mean to catch up on it. I think what made the second season so poor was the lack of focus and development as to who the bad guys were. For example the whole Adam/Kenzo story. We spent about 75% of the time in ancient Japan with this love triangle. Next thing you know were 400 years in the future and Adam is supposed to be like a guru. Were we supposed to buy Adam as the new major threat when we got almost no insight into him as Adam?
Also Parkman's father. When season 1 finished he was presented as this mysterious, terrifying spectre. When we finally caught up to him he was this schlubby, middle-aged guy guy working as a lackey for Adam. Then about an episode later Parkman out-duels him and that's the end of him.
I also think no doubt they wanted to capitalize on Hayden Panettiere's growing popularity and she became much of the focus of the second season.
Also Parkman's father. When season 1 finished he was presented as this mysterious, terrifying spectre. When we finally caught up to him he was this schlubby, middle-aged guy guy working as a lackey for Adam. Then about an episode later Parkman out-duels him and that's the end of him.
I also think no doubt they wanted to capitalize on Hayden Panettiere's growing popularity and she became much of the focus of the second season.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
You are so right about Parkman's father..the way they set him up? And the way it played out? That was horribly done..good point..
Rob
I wanted everything to come together eventually.
I wanted there to be factions, each with different philosophies, kind of like the three that exist at the end of The Watchmen.
I wanted the Heroes to have some sort of celebrity so they'd have to deal with not having a secret identity like Spiderman and Superman do.
I wanted it to be awesome. But it got so fucking wordy and stretched out and cicular and repetitious that I can't understand how it got here from there.
I wanted Claire to have a lesbian sex scene. I guess there's still hope for that.
I wanted there to be factions, each with different philosophies, kind of like the three that exist at the end of The Watchmen.
I wanted the Heroes to have some sort of celebrity so they'd have to deal with not having a secret identity like Spiderman and Superman do.
I wanted it to be awesome. But it got so fucking wordy and stretched out and cicular and repetitious that I can't understand how it got here from there.
I wanted Claire to have a lesbian sex scene. I guess there's still hope for that.
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Season one finale was a terrible letdown and the show just got worse from there, I'm still watching though.
I would have liked to have seen Nathan doing more political stuff while hiding his power. Then when the Heroes where exposed he would have reluctantly had to become their advocate...
You would have figured they'd have done something so obvious. It's one of the many mysteries that they didn't.
Actually, I thought Maury Parkman was creepy in his initial introduction. That schlubbly look worked for the character because he came off as a sleaze who was terrorizing a kid. Afterwards, they made him a pawn and it was all downhill from there.
I agree, the Season 1 finale marked the beginning of the end. All that build-up for a lame fight and an anti-climatic episode.
I thought Mohinder for instance was a really good character in Season 1 but they made him dumber and more gulliable with every season. Like Hiro, no real growth. Except Hiro became more babyish and selfish while Mohinder became dumber. Spider-Moron indeed.
Heroes had one problem only and that problem doomed it. The writers had NO. CLUE. how to develop these characters. It's stunning their lack of imagination. They deemed Nathan most expendable when his political connections should have made him a major player. Claire never learned anything. Hiro never learned anything. Sylar lived. Peter shot Nathan but they never talked about it; that act should have had major ramifications for the brothers, but they never talked about it. 
I don't care if Peter was from the future. Future or not, Nathan's brother shot him and Nathan suddenly got religion (for 15 minutes) instead of being scared and pissed off. Peter kept doing stupid things. No character development of significance.
I don't care if Peter was from the future. Future or not, Nathan's brother shot him and Nathan suddenly got religion (for 15 minutes) instead of being scared and pissed off. Peter kept doing stupid things. No character development of significance.
Peter's had the most character development of anyone on that show (faint praise, I know). Instead of just rushing around blindly trying to fulfill his juvenile self-image of heroism, he's actually got a plan now: be a paramedic, keep his head down, select his power du jour carefully so it will be of use (the pretty lights don't cut it), don't worry about saving everyone - just save someone every day and keep doing it - and above all, keep the family and other metahumans at arm's length since the chaos that has enveloped his life has stemmed from them.
It's still juvenile to hide from your loved ones, but it's also understandable. Nathan went nuts and tried to throw him in Mutant Gitmo. Mommy Dearest has betrayed him multiple times and he doesn't even yet know about the worst betrayal.
So Peter at least seems to be learning. Noah has also suddenly come around to realizing that he can't build his life around protecting Claire Bear now that's she's a young woman, and now realizes something he should have, decades ago - that many metahumans are in desperate need of help from someone with experience in dealing with them, and who else could possibly fill that role?
But Peter and Noah are at a point in their character development they should have been as of late S2, and nobody else has even gotten off the starting line. Way too little.
It's still juvenile to hide from your loved ones, but it's also understandable. Nathan went nuts and tried to throw him in Mutant Gitmo. Mommy Dearest has betrayed him multiple times and he doesn't even yet know about the worst betrayal.
So Peter at least seems to be learning. Noah has also suddenly come around to realizing that he can't build his life around protecting Claire Bear now that's she's a young woman, and now realizes something he should have, decades ago - that many metahumans are in desperate need of help from someone with experience in dealing with them, and who else could possibly fill that role?
But Peter and Noah are at a point in their character development they should have been as of late S2, and nobody else has even gotten off the starting line. Way too little.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Heroes had one problem only and that problem doomed it. The writers had NO. CLUE. how to develop these characters. It's stunning their lack of imagination. They deemed Nathan most expendable when his political connections should have made him a major player. Claire never learned anything. Hiro never learned anything. Sylar lived. Peter shot Nathan but they never talked about it; that act should have had major ramifications for the brothers, but they never talked about it.
I forgot most of that stuff, which is an indication as to how inconsistant, at best, this writing is..
Rob
Heroes had one problem only and that problem doomed it. The writers had NO. CLUE. how to develop these characters. It's stunning their lack of imagination. They deemed Nathan most expendable when his political connections should have made him a major player. Claire never learned anything. Hiro never learned anything. Sylar lived. Peter shot Nathan but they never talked about it; that act should have had major ramifications for the brothers, but they never talked about it.
I forgot most of that stuff, which is an indication as to how inconsistant, at best, this writing is..
Rob
That's just the tip of the iceberg. You could write a novella just describing all the ways in which Heroes writing sucks.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Heroes had one problem only and that problem doomed it. The writers had NO. CLUE. how to develop these characters. It's stunning their lack of imagination. They deemed Nathan most expendable when his political connections should have made him a major player. Claire never learned anything. Hiro never learned anything. Sylar lived. Peter shot Nathan but they never talked about it; that act should have had major ramifications for the brothers, but they never talked about it.
I forgot most of that stuff, which is an indication as to how inconsistant, at best, this writing is..
Rob
That's just the tip of the iceberg. You could write a novella just describing all the ways in which Heroes writing sucks.
Unfortunately..you're right. I remember being so high on this how, and...wham..it just fell apart.
THAT being said, I think Quinto and the dude playing Parkman are still really good actors...
Rob
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