Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discussion

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discuss

I didn't even know it was coming back yet. Guess I'll catch it on Hulu tonight.

 

[Caligula]

Re: Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discuss

"Let it Bleed" was much better than "Upon this Rock". Of course, that's only because it had slightly less speechifying from the coma-enducing Samuel. It also showed me just how annoying he has gotten. Sad, really, because I thought he had a lot of potential at the start of Season 4. Granted, he's gotten a better backstory than some others, but he's still an energy sucker when he's on camera. And he's DEFINITELY no Sylar. For example, take the scene where Sylar showed up to take Samuel's power. Yeah, Samuel defeated him then, but that's because there's still something not quite right with the show's resident serial killer. That's beside the point. Despite the fact that Sylar has lasted on the showed far longer than he probably should have, it's scenes like those that demonstrate how much weaker each successive baddie on Heroes has been.

 

[Tom]

Re: Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discuss

, it's scenes like those that demonstrate how much weaker each successive baddie on Heroes has been.

Well Arthur was much more powerfull then sylar, but just like that he was taken down with a single bullet.

 

[OmahaStar]

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Claire + Sylar that sinks not only is a mass killer he is after jall bait

Um, what now? Claire is in college now. She's at least 18, probably 19 by now. In what world is that considered jail bait?

 

[Hermiod]

Re: Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discuss

, it's scenes like those that demonstrate how much weaker each successive baddie on Heroes has been.

Well Arthur was much more powerfull then sylar, but just like that he was taken down with a single bullet.

They never explained that one - not the bullet, but Arthur being more powerful than Sylar.

Sylar has, on multiple occasions, demonstrated the fact that he usually understands the powers he takes more than the person he took them from. Arthur had no ability that Sylar could not match.

This is, unfortunately, a sign of the Heroes Regular Cast Stupidification Field that renders all of them incapable of using their powers properly.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

Re: Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discuss

starting to thnk the symbolism of the cockroach was because Sylar is so resilient

 

[melancholymecha]

Re: Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discuss

I think its funny how none of us even care about whats going on wth Hiro. They just give him permanent brain damage & let him ramble on about superheroes like Rainman for the rest of the show, occasionally ferrying someone back or forward in time when the plot needs it.

 

[OmahaStar]

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I think its funny how none of us even care about whats going on wth Hiro. They just give him permanent brain damage & let him ramble on about superheroes like Rainman for the rest of the show, occasionally ferrying someone back or forward in time when the plot needs it.

That's because the real Hiro died at the end of the first series. He was replaced with an alternate universe duplicate of himself when Voyager briefly made a visit.

 

[Tom]

Re: Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discuss

, it's scenes like those that demonstrate how much weaker each successive baddie on Heroes has been.

Well Arthur was much more powerfull then sylar, but just like that he was taken down with a single bullet.

They never explained that one - not the bullet, but Arthur being more powerful than Sylar.

Sylar has, on multiple occasions, demonstrated the fact that he usually understands the powers he takes more than the person he took them from. Arthur had no ability that Sylar could not match.

This is, unfortunately, a sign of the Heroes Regular Cast Stupidification Field that renders all of them incapable of using their powers properly.

Arthur had all of Peters and then some (because he hugged Peter and took all those powers), and that was much more then Sylar. Arthur had Time Travel/Time Stop, Invisiblilty and some other big powers Sylar did not have. Also, keep in mind Sylar was still rebuilding his power base and was not as powerful as he was at the end of season 1. What I don't get is, did Arthur always have the power to easily take powers from others ?? and if so, why did he not do this earlier in his life to become uber poweful? Interestingly, Peter now has a tamer version of the 'touch and take' power but he can only use one at a time and does not strip it away from the person he touches.

If Peter could regain the abilty to retain more than one power, then watch out. I would like to see Peter be the villian next season (if there is one). He is already very vengefull and being more powerful may corrupt him more making him a great enemy for the other heroes to try and save or stop.

 

[startrekwatcher]

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I think its funny how none of us even care about whats going on wth Hiro. They just give him permanent brain damage & let him ramble on about superheroes like Rainman for the rest of the show, occasionally ferrying someone back or forward in time when the plot needs it.

THe question is do we even care about any of the other characters. When I ponder this I realize the only two characters I am the least bit invested in are Peter and Angela--Cristine has been criminally underused. The rest they could just ditch and I wouldn't probably even notice they were gone--Suresh, Hiro, Ando, Noah, Claire, Tracy, Samuel, Matt--is there anyone else on this show?

 

[Temis the Vorta]

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I'm at the point I fast forward though half the episode. Heroes used to be one of my favorite shows. Wow.

I've been doing that for a while. I zap any scene that fails to contain Matt, Peter, Sylar or (used to be ) Nathan. Saves me a lot of annoyance.

Claire + Sylar that sinks not only is a mass killer he is after jall bait

Um, what now? Claire is in college now. She's at least 18, probably 19 by now. In what world is that considered jail bait?

He must be referring to her mental age.

I can't help but feel kinda cheated at the stuff that ended up on the "cutting room floor":

1. How did Peter and Noah end up deciding to haul Nathan's corpse onto a plane and crash it? That must have been one fairly interesting sequence of events, starting with Peter calling Noah: "Hi, dipshit. I found out my brother is Sylar. Thanks for treating me like I'm twelve years old. My mother I could believe, because mothers do that, and Parkman's a moron, so what's your excuse? Oh incidentally Nathan is dead but Sylar escaped so while we're waiting for him to hunt you down and slice open your skull, howsabout you help me cover up Nathan's death?"

2. Just how much did Peter really tell Claire anyway? Claire was pretty offended by the very notion that she could regard Sylar as equivalent to Nathan, and thinks Peter's sympathetic to that point of view. I guess Peter forgot to mention the part about trying to force Sylar back into Nathan-hood...

If Peter could regain the abilty to retain more than one power, then watch out. I would like to see Peter be the villian next season (if there is one).

Peter can't even stay mad at Angela for her horrifying betrayal (much worse than Noah's betrayal of Claire, since Peter had a much more significant relationship with Nathan than Claire ever did) but Claire's acting like queen bitch again and Peter's doing his mopey, I-forgive-everyone routine...what a frakkin masochist!

Here's where they're going with Peter's story. Sylar will be "redeemed" by having Nathan permanently lodged in his brain. Peter will finally get the better of him in that Mother of All Battles we were promised all these years but then Peter will see the Nathan-ish part of Sylar and will refuse to kill him and forgive him for all his sins. The end.

If that's how they end the series...Who's up for a riot at NBC (pitchforks and torches, baby)?

Ratings: looks like almost everyone remembered to come back from Xmas break, demo-wise...last figure was 2.3/6.

Viewers: #4, 4.93 million; A18-49: #4, 2.2/ 5 from 8-10 p.m.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discuss

Both episodes - Average minus the Peter Petrelli Nerf Factor and now minus the Sylar Super Nerf Factor = Poor.

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

Re: Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discuss

Robert Knepper's Samuel is a cool character and at least the endless Sylar-as-Nathan crap is finally over (I hope so). But the show is still not going anywhere.

 

[Mr Light]

Re: Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discuss

Peter will finally get the better of him in that Mother of All Battles we were promised all these years

...which will be covered up by a set of closing doors. Either that or they'll pull the South Park route and have a bystander watching the battle remarking on how amazingly cool it is and how it's ten times better than what was in Lord of the Rings

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discuss

It's sad how little I have to say about these episodes.

I've been far more tolerant of the Hiro stuff than most, but I think my patience has reached its end, now. Are we seriously going to spend time having Ando figure out Mohinder is in a crazy house? It's so maddening to have a subplot like this, where we know exactly what's going on, but nobody else does, and it's all based on a contrivance. It's convenient for Hiro to lose his ability to speak clearly, because that lets them drag out this Mohinder thing. Bleh. I don't even see it going anywhere interesting.

The Claire/Peter stuff was better. Bad blood between the actors or not, they do work well together onscreen.

Story-wise, I just can't bring myself to care. Sam wants to do something really evil and Earth-shattering (literally), it would seem. Now we've got Sylar coming to scare Claire, which we've seen before and I don't expect to be any more interesting this time around.

Maybe it's just as well this is the final season, because they have obviously run out of ideas, or they just love filler.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discuss

Arthur had all of Peters and then some (because he hugged Peter and took all those powers), and that was much more then Sylar. Arthur had Time Travel/Time Stop, Invisiblilty and some other big powers Sylar did not have. Also, keep in mind Sylar was still rebuilding his power base and was not as powerful as he was at the end of season 1.

I'm aware of that. He did, however, have all the powers he needed and greater control over them than Arthur could have had.

There is one scene where Arthur is keeping Sylar prisoner, floating in the air with his telekinesis. There's no way that Sylar wouldn't have been able to break that.

What I don't get is, did Arthur always have the power to easily take powers from others ?? and if so, why did he not do this earlier in his life to become uber poweful? Interestingly, Peter now has a tamer version of the 'touch and take' power but he can only use one at a time and does not strip it away from the person he touches.

From what we've been led to believe, the previous eclipses caused some sort of worldwide increase in the number of people with abilities. So far, most of the people from Arthur's generation with abilities have had ones that are fairly passive - like Angela's precognitive dreams.

If Peter could regain the abilty to retain more than one power, then watch out. I would like to see Peter be the villian next season (if there is one). He is already very vengefull and being more powerful may corrupt him more making him a great enemy for the other heroes to try and save or stop.

Peter should get his original ability back if the show is being cancelled. There's no reason not to do it now.

 

[Forbin]

Re: Heroes: "Upon This Rock" & "Let It Bleed" 1/4/10 - Grading/Discuss

I've decided I can get enough of a Hayden Panetierre fix from Zodcaps.com and Skins.be. I don't need the show any more.

 

[Tom]

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I've decided I can get enough of a Hayden Panetierre fix from Zodcaps.com and Skins.be. I don't need the show any more.

True, She also has a thing for older dudes, She is now dating a 33 years old boxer.

 

[blockaderunner]

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^^^Wasn't she going out with Peter for a while too?

I thought that Samuel's plan was to gather as many supers as possible so he can increase his own powers and then rule the world or get back at everyone who kept him down or something and was never interested in the carnival or anyone else. Wasn't it explained that his powers are amplified within the vicinity of other super powered people?

 

[Tom]

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^^^Wasn't she going out with Peter for a while too?

Yes.

Well Hayden just turned 20 in August and Milo is 32. So she likes guys in there thirties, hmm.. maybe I have a shot! ...then again maybe not. LOL