Heroes 3x25 "An Invisible Thread" Discuss and Grade (SEASON FINALE)

[Mr Light]

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Here's another ridiculous point of the episode. Peter and Nathan, who both ONLY have the power of flight, decide they can take down Sylar, who has dozens of powers including telekinesis, energy projection, etc, etc. Better yet, Peter will go high and Nathan will go low! Because, y'know, Peter is the one who has to touch him, so naturally he's going to be the one to fly straight at him at the eye level. Brilliant. The fact that the fight lasted more than 5 seconds is only because Sylar was playing with his food.

 

[Hermiod]

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Servo - as I said earlier, Peter clearly only took the shape shifting. He has visible wounds when he leaves the room with Claire that do not heal up. He's still got cuts when he's at Sylar's "funeral" at the end.

I know, I read it the first time. Am I not allowed to echo or expand upon a point that someone has already made now?

When you're done throwing your toys out of the pram, you'll see that I was agreeing with you.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

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I'm kinda on the fence about if I'm going to watch season 4 now. Although it would have been cheap to kill Nathan only to revive him with Claire's blood it would have been smarter than the plan they came up with.
I think I'll watch a few episodes and if it hasn't improved I'll be switching off.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

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If they're going to kill off a character, the actor needs to be off the canvas. At least give Pasdar the chance to find decent work. He and Rose are so superior to Ventimiglia and Pannetierre in the talent department. It's only fair. Killing someone off but having a "double" still there is like playing to a tie in football. It's so anticlimactic. Having the double there is worse, IMO, than losing the character completely.

I know--how about not killing Nathan and killing Sylar instead? Or Mohinder? Hiro? Claire with a shot to back of the head? Hey, I can dream.

The fact that the fight lasted more than 5 seconds is only because Sylar was playing with his food

 

[Servo]

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As has been pointed out, all Sylar ever really wanted was to be, well, wanted. Living as Nathan, he'll get that.

Until they find out he's Sylar, then it's done. There's nothing inside Sylar to battle for possession of his body or identity. There is no Nathan, only a false mask. An inanimate object. It can't fight for anything. There's not going to be a battle. There's not going to be Nathan 2.0. There's nothing left to be Nathan 2.0. "Nathan" is a post hypnotic suggestion left by Matt. The person in Sylar's head doesn't exist. Once Sylar remembers, he's Sylar again 100 percent.

Maybe they'll build up to another incredibly disappointing, non existent fight between Peter and Sylar. From which Sylar will escape, of course.

But you're missing the point. Psychologically speaking, thereis a Nathan. Regardless of how it was put there, or how fake you feel it is, there is still a personality there, and the more time it spends in control, the stronger it will get, the more it will develop, and the more it will want to stay in control. As long as the Sylar persona tries to push its way through, the Nathan personality will fight it for control.

For example; look at The Doctor, from the Doctor Who two-parter Human Nature/Family of Blood - [SPOILERS]; he used technology to implant a false personality into himself, a Human personality used to disguise his true self from some nasty aliens. This process also involved altering his DNA to appear Human too.
Even though the personality was fake, the longer it was in control, the more used to its life it got. It was unaware of what it really was, and thought it was a real person - John Smith, a man who had a life, had friends, collegues. A man who fell in love with a woman.
When it came time for John Smith to be changed back into The Doctor, the dominant Smith personality didn't want to go. He didn't want to die, he wanted to have a life with the woman he loved - he knew that could never happen if The Doctor's true personality returned.
In the end, the only reason he sacrificed himself was because if he hadn't, everyone would die, including the woman he loved.
Later, The Doctor said that some part of the John Smith personality did still exist somewhere inside him, but he knew it was a life he could never have.

So, as I said, regardless of how the Nathan persona got there, it isn't any less real than any other personality, and it will fight for its existance.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

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But Heroes is Heroes and Dr. Who is Dr. Who. Dr. Who could make you believe a sci-fi concept that's nonsensical. Nathan's "personality" is nothing but a post hypnotic suggestion by an anxious cop. It's a remnant. A ghost. Once Sylar remembers....game over. I don't see Sylar's false memories of Nathan as any sort of real, tangible conscious entity that can fight for control. These writers? Don't trust them to pull it off. They'd have set it up better if they had. Put Nathan's consciousness into someone else's body a la Arthur and whatshisname from season three's level five that infiltrated Peter's body....then kill Nathan's body. As it is there's no consciousness there now. Only a suggestion by Matt and any memories Sylar picks up by psychometry.

That would have been a proper set up with a real consciousness from Nathan flung into God knows who's body. They didn't do that. There's nothing of Nathan left to fight with Sylar. It isn't real. It isn't real at all. Sylar can't become Nathan. Nathan's gone.

 

[SFRabid]

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I did not understand the point of the funeral.

 

[Daneel]

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I love that so many people are calling for the use of Claire's blood. If they HAD used the blood, there'd still be uproar and bitching cos everyone hated that plotline from the off. The show can't win either way.

You're probably right, but there's no denying that it's a rather glaring plot hole.

As I've said, though, I enjoyed the episode for the most part... I thought it was pretty entertaining despite a few sticky plot points. I'm also very curious to see how they handle Sylar/Nathan next season (as long as Fuller is a driving creative force), but I can see how it would really bother some people.

 

[Joe Washington]

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I just want this monstrosity of a show to end. Yeah, we got a few okay episodes this season but the third season has become one pile of garbage from the beginning. I'm amazed by how the cast of the show talks about Heroes as if it isn't suffering from inconsistencies, sloppy character development, and cheap plot twists.

The fourth season will be a little shorter than this season but that won't be enough to fix things and we are well beyond the point of fixing the massive damages inflicted on the show. We may have had our chance back in Season 2 but it's too late.

 

[blockaderunner]

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*sigh*. I just don't know where to put this. There were some above average moments (Nathan's grizzly death, sociopathic Sylar, Ali Larter's water butt) and some below avarage moments ("Nathan" returning, another behind closed doors battle, Kring). So, I place it at average. But a hopeful avarage. With Fuler given a full season, I have hope that they can capitalize on what hey laid down in the last moments of this episode. And maybe NBC can open up the purse strings more and allow them to stage a battle that doesn't consist of flashing lights from the cracks of doors.

 

[Hermiod]

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I don't know why people are so excited about seeing Nerf-Boy fight Sylar anyway. He can't do anything!

 

[TheBrew]

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Above Average. There were things to like (Peter was in top form this episode for once) and things to feel iffy about (Sylar=Nathan). Still, I'll tune in next season to see where they go from here.

 

[Caligula]

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I understand the complaints about killing off the real Nathan, turning Sylar into a fake "Nathan," and then Angela passing her son's killer off as the real deal. All are valid complaints. Here's the thing, though.... Of all the characters on the show, based on the way the storyline had been progressing, Nathan was the most likely candidate for death. He'd set himself up for the classic downfall by making all the wrong choices this season. Killing anyone else off would not have had near the dramatic punch. Angela cozying up to Sylar can be explained, too. Did you see the way she reacted when she saw her son's dead body? Momma Petrelli has gone WAY off the deep end. Turning Sylar into a fake "Nathan" was explained within the context of the episode... by Peter, I believe.... There was no way people with abilities could ever feel safe again if word got out that one of them killed a U.S. Senator. Disguising Sylar as Nathan was the best option they felt was available, disregarding that whole "Claire's blood having healing powers" angle. The way I see it, the only chance the real Nathan had of being resurrected in that moment was if Linderman were still alive.

 

[3D Master]

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I don't know why people are so excited about seeing Nerf-Boy fight Sylar anyway. He can't do anything!

Well, there was this whole hint that by touching Sylar he'd be able to take all of Sylar's powers so we'd have a real battle on our hands.

 

[LitmusDragon]

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Perhaps I'm crazy, but-

Wasn't there a "confirmed" spoiler floating around that Sylar's dad and Claude Rains would both be back for the season finale? Does this mean the finale was changed at the last minute? I kept expecting them to show up, but then they didn't.

This episode was bad. Very bad. In fact it led me to question why I even watch this show in the first place. I came to the conclusion that I like the occasional "cool" superhero moment, but that the writing is just terrible. If you were to take the superhero element out of this show, I wouldn't be watching. Contrast that to something like The Dark Knight, which would be an entertaining crime drama even if it didn't have Batman and the Joker in it. This show needs a real human drama behind it and it needs something at stake. Right now it has neither.

 

[Hermiod]

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I don't know why people are so excited about seeing Nerf-Boy fight Sylar anyway. He can't do anything!

Well, there was this whole hint that by touching Sylar he'd be able to take all of Sylar's powers so we'd have a real battle on our hands.

Well, again, he clearly didn't.

 

[Daneel]

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Perhaps I'm crazy, but-

Wasn't there a "confirmed" spoiler floating around that Sylar's dad and Claude Rains would both be back for the season finale? Does this mean the finale was changed at the last minute? I kept expecting them to show up, but then they didn't.

IMDB listed John Glover as being in last week's episode, but he wasn't. Similarly, IMDB's credits for this episode listed Christopher Eccleston (Claude) and Dana Davis (Monica) as appearing, but they didn't. I'm not sure if it was just rumours that some people took too seriously or if it was deliberate misinformation, but whatever the case, it seems those "spoilers" were simply incorrect.

 

[melancholymecha]

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Ill just say again I agree with everything Doris has said about the Nathan/Sylar thing. Sylar/Nathan is NOT Nathan...its a fake souless copy. No.

btw Doris, about Nathan's sons, next season:

Spoiler

one of them is supposedly showing up next season & will have a power. My best hope is that his power involves something like the ability to communicate with deceased relatives through dreams or something similar, & Peter borrows the power, thats the only way that their relationship could continue in some form. It wouldnt be the same as it used to be, but its a lot damn better than Pete cozying up to some Sylar infested fake.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

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Spoiler sounds good, melancholymecha. I'm afraid you'll have to tell me if it comes to pass. I just don't trust these writers to come up with anything that good. I don't feel like sticking around long enough to find out. I've given Heroes enough chances.

What, you don't think Peter cozying up to his brother's killer is heartwarming? It makes me puddle up thinking about it. It's so sweet. Just because Sylar cut Nathan's throat doesn't mean Peter should have an attitude about him. He looks just like Nathan. How could Peter be so unforgiving? I've got to convert you to my show, melancholymecha. So much brotherly goodness. No evil clones taking anyone's place.

I'd heard the Eccleston/Glover rumors for the finale, too. I'm guessing they weren't available and/or didn't want to be anywhere near Heroes in its current state. We're a long way from the glory days of season one.

 

[3D Master]

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I don't know why people are so excited about seeing Nerf-Boy fight Sylar anyway. He can't do anything!

Well, there was this whole hint that by touching Sylar he'd be able to take all of Sylar's powers so we'd have a real battle on our hands.

Well, again, he clearly didn't.

:sighs: Yes, we know. But that's not the hint that Nathan gave us when he was talking to the Secret Agent. THAT is what got people excited: Peter touches Sylar and we finally get to see the big battle everyone's been hoping for ever since S1: Superman vs. Black Adam.

That is WHY people were excited (and subsequently disappointed). THAT is what was asked; why people were excited.