HEROES 3x03 "One Of Us, One Of Them" Discuss and Grade

[Dream]

I really do think Claire should have maybe been a season 1 only character. Save the world, save the cheerleader. She's running out of possibilities. Maybe have her a guest star to come back periodically like future self...

yeah, i really hope that this whole "one that brings the light" or whatever the quote from Nakamura was on the video does not turn out to be her.

Yep. I'm sorry. Yeah she's cute but really, she has no offensive abilities. What she going to do? Smother someone?

Adam has the exact same powers as Claire and he was the big bad last season. Of course Adam has 400 years of experience and intelligence, inside knowledge of the Company, and is damn good with a sword...

Just having Claire take some karate lessions would go a long way.

 

[Skywalker]

Claire's a moron, though. Adam was ruthless and intelligent.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

At this point I find Elle more entertaining than Clare. I'm glad Kristen Bell will be back in another month.

 

[zenophite]

It's that they play her as to much of a weepy whiny teen. They just need to give the character the maturity that you might expect to have when you have to grow up quickly.

It's just hard for me to believe that you discover that you are immortal, get burned to a crisp, find out you're adopted, find your real mom, find your real dad, see you're adoptive dad get shot in the head, get involved with other super powered beings to save the world after being pursued by a super powered madman within the span of a few months and still do the whole temper tantrum, whiny, i hate my life typical American teen routine.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

They should give her claws like Wolverine.

She doesn't feel pain anymore, maybe she can cut herself open and convince Sylar to turn her bones to metal.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

It's that they play her as to much of a weepy whiny teen. They just need to give the character the maturity that you might expect to have when you have to grow up quickly.

It's just hard for me to believe that you discover that you are immortal, get burned to a crisp, find out you're adopted, find your real mom, find your real dad, see you're adoptive dad get shot in the head, get involved with other super powered beings to save the world after being pursued by a super powered madman within the span of a few months and still do the whole temper tantrum, whiny, i hate my life typical American teen routine.

Exactly. She went through all this trauma. I know it'll take a while for her to deal with it all and that she's still absorbing what she's gone through but she still acts like the person she was the first day the audience saw her.

 

[jonnyskywatcher]

With the exception of Hiro's plotline, this was a really good episode that makes me hopeful for the rest of the season. I wonder what exactly was happening with Matt near the end? Was he telepathically channeling that other guy's power? Or was that guy extending his power to give Matt the sight?

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Above Average.

All the stories were interesting, even the silly comic relief with Hiro and Ando (nice shout-out to Buster Keaton). Sylar adopting a different accent (New Yawk?) to play FBI agent was friggen hilarious.

So Sylar suddenly wants to play nice just because he's happier with his new Mom (and I guess by implication, Dad?) Seems a tad convenient - sure, he still killed Jesse, but not the other guy, which is a change from his usual rampage-prone self. Then again, it fits my theory that if he was able to join some sort of organization that would allow him to feel "special," while still getting "fed" from time to time, he'd be a happier guy and not quite so squirrely. I guess I can go with this for now.

Next week looks particularly good.

geez did Sylar looked good in that suit.

Ugh, I thought it was awful! But I doubt it will last.

Peter confronts Evil Peter. In lieu of acting ability, Milo will enthrall audiences by exchanging bizarre facial expressions with himself.

And that's why we love him.

Does anyone else think Claire's transformation is getting a little scary? I am not sure I like this side of her.

I'm happy with it - having her just continue to do the confused kid/victim/teen angst thing wasn't going to work. This week's developments fit into the show's theme this season. I loved Meredith's "before you can save the world, you have to save yourself" line. I think that's how all the characters who are going bad - Claire, Peter and Mo, and maybe Matt - end up going bad, because they're jumping into the hero thing without the necessary self-understanding. I thought that was a good way to state the overarching theme of this season and a whole lot better than just trotting everyone thru another "save the world" scenario.

 

[A Clockwork Lim]

I thought it was more interesting that Syler freely and willingly returned to Section Five after doing the deed. That was very out of character for him, too.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

^ I love Dexter too but I tend to think of them as living in two completely separate worlds. Dexter has heart while Sylar is just built to be bad.

Again with the Dexter vs Sylar! They come from two different worlds - Dexter's cosmos is carefully constructed so that the characters stay consistent and never are dragged here and there just because the plot demands it. Sylar lives in a crueler universe, where the writers are sloppier and decide to tame him down with a new Mommy because they want it that way, not because it makes any damn sense at all. If the Dexter writers ever tried something that cheeseball, I would be massively disappointed, but to see it on Heroes is far from unexpected.

Both characters benefit hugely from being played by extremely talented and charismatic actors, but Dexter will always have the edge in writing. Compared with him, Sylar's a comic book character (the Dark Defender, perhaps? tho I could more easily see Peter Petrelli in that role. Damnfool probably would wear leather in Miami.)

Also, the had sort of hyped Jesse's ability as something insane that was going to be a really shocking powerful ability.

I agree. Future Peter's ability to trap people in other bodies struck me as much more WHOAH!

 

[jonnyskywatcher]

I don't know what they're going for but the preview for next week with Sylar seemed a little like:

Next week we throw away characterization to give fans what they really want,

Breakfast at Sylar's!

 

[A Clockwork Lim]

Same. I was more flabberghasted when it was revealed that's literally what he did; he put Peter, body and soul, into Jesse. Which of course left me wondering why or how he wasn't able to use his own powers, yet was in full control of Jesse's body. It's a really fucked up take on possession (let alone involuntary possession).

Interesting thing, though, is that Modern Peter has that power, too. As well as every single power Future Peter has picked up in five+ years from now. Though somehow I doubt the writer's will notice or remember that. Let alone how dangerous it is to introduce such a concept with time travel being so easily accomplished.

Just imagine if Syler ever learned to time travel. Right when he's about to die, either from old age or whatever else, he decides to jaunt back to young Syler and say "open me up, beyotch." Kaboom.

 

[Hermiod]

^It may not work that way. As I said in the other thread, Peter should be able to do everything Sylar can too yet all he can do is the telekinesis.

It's possible that, in Future Peter and Sylar's case, it's necessary for them to actually use a power near Present Peter for him to be able to duplicate it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Hmmm, maybe this is where Ando and Hiro split?

Daphne "had" the formula. Ando will have powers. How long until Ando will have "had" Daphne?

Imagine a story where Robin and Catwoman have a dirty Weekend?

Although the second Robin Jason Todd was well inside the Batman's wife's Talia's pants as she was sharpening him into a weapon to irk Bruce.

 

[A Clockwork Lim]

Hip African Guru's portraits seems to indicate that Matt and Daphne (a guess) will have a close relationship. I'm sure they'll be the two in the forefront of dealing with the formula.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Hmmm, maybe this is where Ando and Hiro split?

Daphne "had" the formula. Ando will have powers. How long until Ando will have "had" Daphne?

Imagine a story where Robin and Catwoman have a dirty Weekend?

Although the second Robin Jason Todd was well inside the Batman's wife's Talia's pants as she was sharpening him into a weapon to irk Bruce.

Don't know -- don't care actually. I just don't see Hiro ending up with Daphne if that is the way they are going.

Yeah but who's pants wasn't Batman's been in?

 

[Guy Gardener]

She's not a princess or a trophy to be saved and rescued Rupunzle style.

Although if she's always thinking at the speed she can run, then maybe Hiro or another speedster is her only viable choice for a lover since her dating some one at normal speed would be like seducing Rainman.

personally i think she should tease both of them until they're at each others throats like in batman III with Poison Ivy getting inbetween Batman and Robin but y'know less one dimenionsonally.

 

[3D Master]

Wow, Landry turns you down for a hotter chick (Tyra) and it turns you to a life of crime.

LOL! I'd have taken Brea Grant's character though.

I can't say I'm sorry that Nikki's dead. Her stupidity got DL killed and it's only fitting that Micah's stupidity got her killed. I think Tracy is far more interesting a character and her scene with Micah last night was great. As for Monica, I think the character has potential. I think her power, muscle memory, is one of the coolest to have.

Her stupidity? You mean her multiple personality disorder. She was neither Nikki nor Jessica when DL got killed.

I would have to see Hiro and Ando become brooding, grim characters. I think a lot of TV shows overdue it with those kind of characters and take themselves way too seriously. At the same time, the events of the previous season (his father's death, Adam's betrayel, and Hiro's badass solution to it) should have served to make him wiser and smarter when going about his business. I said this last week but that was thrown out the door the minute Hiro stupidly took that formula out of vault when his father specifically told him not too. It was also the height of selfishness, with his putting his juevenille need to be a hero over the welfare of the world. As a comic book fan, he should have read enough to know what happens when you do something that stupid.

The thing is though, that taking that formula out of the vault, was the RIGHT thing to do. The reasons why he did it though, are not.

The reason why the formula had to remain in the vault is simple: to protect the world from it. But how can Hiro protect the world from its recreation by people who don't have either half of it (just like the original creators), except if he KNOWS what the formula is and what it does? Indeed, if the formula is what grants people powers, then Mohinder has already recreated it without owning either half of the paper.

So the only way Hiro could protect the world from the formula, was to take it out of the vault and learn what it is, so he can be vigilant against its reacreation anyplace anytime on the world.

The sad thing is, that instead of THAT reason, which would be exactly up S1 and S2 and especially a logical post S2 Hiro's ally, they turn him and Ando in a bunch of buffoons instead.

I'm afraid I have to say it, but Heroes is going down hill fast.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Interesting thing, though, is that Modern Peter has that power, too. As well as every single power Future Peter has picked up in five+ years from now.

We don't know that Peter would absorb acquired abilities from his temporally-displaced self. Peter's true ability is power absorption, so that might be the only power that he'd pick up from Future Peter...and he already has it.

 

[Vendikarr]

I wonder who the woman in the paintings of Matt's future is ? Claire ? Daphne ?

Maybe it's the Fed from the first season that Matt worked with. She was kinda into him.