HEROES 3x01 "Second Coming" and 3x02 "Butterfly Effect" Discuss/Grade

[JD]

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I thought both episodes were good, althought IMO The Butterfly Effect was the better of the two.
As for where Daphne came from, I really think it's pretty early to get worked up over what we do and do not know. We've only seen her in the first two episodes, there's still plenty of time to explain where she came from and all of that.
The only big issue I have is the sudden revelation that Sylar is Angela's son, it just seems to me like it was one of those twists that they decided to toss in just for the shock value. I'm not gonna pass judgement until I've seen more of the season, I just wish they could have either set up for it earlier or if they just came up with the idea, then slowly building up to a reveal instead of just tossing into the episode.

 

[Jax]

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2nd episode a hige improvement ober the 1st though time travel annoys me now because Peter & Hiro can change any bad thing too easy, there needs to be restrictions placed. Is it me or does Hiro have some sweet chemistry with the fast gal

However Sylar being her son is just JUMPING THE BIGGEST SHARK YOU CAN FIND pure desperate writing and totally pathetic.

It was a nice set up to see all the villians join forces in Angela's vision and to see Hiro get killed by his best friend. However an uneven 1st episode which is the worst episode to date made the overall 2 parter an...

Average

 

[Kelso]

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Well, I've been hoping that Sylar would be revealed as a long lost Petrelli brother since this line from season one...

"When I was a kid, I used to wish some stranger would come and tell me my family wasn't really my family. They weren't bad people, they were just ... insignificant. And I wanted to be different. Special. I wanted to change. A new name, a new life. The watchmaker's son ... became a watchmaker. It is so futile, that I wanted to be ... important."

... so I'm thrilled that he's Angela's son.

I'm also hoping that Ali Larter's new character will be revealed as Nikki's long lost (presumed dead) twin sister.

I love those great soap opera/comic book twists!

 

[Dream]

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Well, the 3d season opener confirms what I've believed all along:

Mohinder Suresh is the dumbest smart guy on the planet. Or possibly the smartest dumb guy on the planet. Good narrator, bad scientist.

Mohinder has always been dumb as a rock since the show started. This was the same guy that obviously should have known that Eden was a spy the first time she appeared.

Well, I'm guessing they had to write off Elle because they were losing Bell. But that's just an assumption I guess.

Yeah. What did people expect? Bell fans should be happy the writers didn't give her character a lame death scene.

I thought they were two separate episodes rather than a two-hour season premiere. In any case, I thought it was awesome. After the writers' strike and some mediocre plotlines during Season, I'm glad the show is back with a bang. Looking forward to the new season!

Yeah they were two episodes hence the two episode titles. But it's easier to just call it a two hour episode so I wouldn't confuse anyone here.

So is there anything else, besides pointing out the obvious and summarizing the episode, that people talk about in these weekly threads?

Why do any of us start topics on this board? It's supposed to be fun. It's always nice to talk about a new episode that you watch with other fans.

 

[stj]

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A few random thoughts---

John Carpenter wants his scene back.

Angela Petrellis is not just Mama Petrelli but Hot Mama Petrelli.

Now Gabriel will learn the power of the Dark Side!

And George Lucas wants his scene back too.

Supervirgin has lost sensation after being butchered? Is this a covert femal circumcision story line? If I had noticed great sensitivity in her before, I might feel the tragedy.

Emo Boy really isn't as smart as he thinks. Even his mother knows this. But does Tim Kring?

SuperAndo with the power of purple passion and SackMonkey Mohinder make it official---Ordinary people have no role on this show.

And the big question (didn't read all the thread so please forgive is this has been thrashed out,) doesn't seeing Noah Bennet in Level 5 with the supervillains drop an anvil?

 

[Dream]

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Supervirgin has lost sensation after being butchered? Is this a covert femal circumcision story line? If I had noticed great sensitivity in her before, I might feel the tragedy.

I thought that entire scene was really uncomfortable to watch. The writers are obviously going with a rape metaphor but without Claire actually getting raped. Claire seems to be lashing out like all victims do.

Emo Boy really isn't as smart as he thinks. Even his mother knows this. But does Tim Kring?

Peter's a screw up. Even Future Peter managed to screw up the timeline. It's hard for me to believe that he didn't realize shooting Nathan was going to drastically change the future really like with Sylar getting Claire's healing powers.

SuperAndo with the power of purple passion and SackMonkey Mohinder make it official---Ordinary people have no role on this show.

To be fair Ando only had powers in a future that might never happened. But I think the shark will be jumped if the writers ever give Noah powers. Noah is just too badass as a normal human. DON'T DO IT WRITERS!

And the big question (didn't read all the thread so please forgive is this has been thrashed out,) doesn't seeing Noah Bennet in Level 5 with the supervillains drop an anvil?

I thought that was a cool scene. The Company thinks Noah is as dangerous as a Level 5 criminal and they are probably right. The security for the building is crap however. How many times has people broke out or broken in?

I thought it was damn funny how Elle was thrown like a rag doll the moment Sylar appeared outside Noah's cell.

 

[The Old Mixer]

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Well, when they said that this time they'd hit the ground running, they weren't kidding! Still, seeing this approach helps me to see what they were trying to do with Season 2. Not that I think Season 2 didn't make a lot of mistakes, mind you...but these episodes seemed like they were all plot, little characterization. Season 1 had a sense of wonder and discovery, of things unravelling and seeing connections formed and revealed. Maybe the show will never get that back, but we'll see how it goes.

2nd episode a hige improvement ober the 1st though time travel annoys me now because Peter & Hiro can change any bad thing too easy, there needs to be restrictions placed.

I think they're using the time travel more in reverse...use it to set up a horrifying future, and the plot revolves around trying to prevent that. Not just this season, but the entire series so far, is an example of the "butterfly effect"...with each horrifying future they prevent, a new one takes its place. At this point, the drive of the show seems to be to find one that doesn't look so bad.

However Sylar being her son is just JUMPING THE BIGGEST SHARK YOU CAN FIND pure desperate writing and totally pathetic.

I have to agree. Sylar had a mom, we met her, I was fine with the fact that she was a nobody with issues that affected her son's psyche.

I think that Linderman is real...he had the power to miraculously heal Nathan, and Nathan was miraculously healed. How he's become Nathan's Harvey remains to be seen.

I think that Tracy is a separate person. She seemed far too established and experienced in her role as the governor's aide to have just recently popped up with amnesia or a new personality. I do think that she might be a long-lost sibling, possibly the real Jessica, not dead since childhood after all.

 

[3D Master]

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It's really rather average if not below.

I still can't fathom the whole, "I can't feel anything anymore, and pain was the only thing that made me feel human" by Claire. If she felt pain, why wasn't she screaming her head off when she trashed her hand in the trash shredder? She just pulled it out and looked at it with morbid fascination. She never screamed when she was being burned alive by nuclear man. She never... well, I can't remember her ever expressing any pain.

So what's this about now suddenly being horrified that she no longer feels any pain? As far as I can tell, she never felt any pain to begin with - which was one thing I was always disappointed about. It would have made that "power" have such a bad side. Regenerate, but feel all the pain, even while regenerating, and nothing to help you stop being a victim.

The whole Angela is Sylar's mom thing also through me for a loop. Is she really? Or is she just (trying) to manipulate Sylar. He hope he just cuts her head open first chance he gets, and escapes, hunting for the level 5 guys and adding there powers to his own.

And what's this about "losing Bell"?

 

[Chess Piece Face]

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I couldn't really remember all the points where we left off but that didn't seem to matter. This show just seemed like more of the same...we saw a big city in the future getting destroyed and now they are ripping off the plot from X-Men/Luthor's Everyman Project with the serum. Yawn. This show could be so much more. They just about lost me last season and these 2 eps didn't do a thing to draw me back in.

I'm giving it 2 more episodes then I'm done.

 

[Dream]

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I think they're using the time travel more in reverse...use it to set up a horrifying future, and the plot revolves around trying to prevent that. Not just this season, but the entire series so far, is an example of the "butterfly effect"...with each horrifying future they prevent, a new one takes its place. At this point, the drive of the show seems to be to find one that doesn't look so bad.

The writers seem to want to stop having the main characters (Hiro and Present Peter) time traveling to the past as shown when Hiro refused to go back when Ando suggested it. Plotholes quickly pile up the more they do it. So far this season the only one messing with the timeline is Future Peter who could be consider a villain.

I think that Tracy is a separate person. She seemed far too established and experienced in her role as the governor's aide to have just recently popped up with amnesia or a new personality. I do think that she might be a long-lost sibling, possibly the real Jessica, not dead since childhood after all.

I think Tracy being Niki's twin is the only way her weird storyline will end up making any sense. That way they can start fresh by giving Ali a new character to work with with (most of the fans have obviously given up on Niki by now) but still have the connection to Niki. It's the best of both worlds.

 

[Meredith]

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Sylar isn't mam petrelli's son, she is just using her mind powers to brain wash Sylar into thinking he is her son, nothing more.

 

[FALCONX0N]

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I love the fact that Horn Rimmed Glasses is in the 'supervillian' level cell that even Adam wasn't in. He's just that dangerous. And while there was one guy trying in vain to blast hisway out, one guy screaming like a lunatic, and I forget what magneto there was doing- -but there's just little ol' Noah Bennet, playing with his little rubber ball, not even breaking a sweat.


I wasn't overly impressed with it, though. It's too much in it's own world now, I feel. The hook of 'ordinary people with extraordinary powers' is gone, now it's just "Our NBC Superfriends! Wacky hijinks!" Claire's numbing might turn out good, hopefully Peter's running with the devils will maybe force him to grow some brain cells, but the whole Mama Petrelli/Sylar thing?

Oh, come ON!

I really, really hope the writers are taking us for a ride. If you had Sylar's psych profile, and you wanted to control him, you would do exactly what she's doing. Giving him a whole new backstory that showcases how special he really is. Now that he's more or less unstoppable, he's more of a force to be worked around. Still, I'm more than a little wary at his burgeoning spikeification.

 

[ialfan]

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I just watched both episodes and would rate them as excellent, however I think there might have been one twist too many in them. There just seemed to be a lot of contrivances that are hard to accept. I will definately continue to watch and see how it all plays out.

 

[Dream]

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I wasn't overly impressed with it, though. It's too much in it's own world now, I feel. The hook of 'ordinary people with extraordinary powers' is gone, now it's just "Our NBC Superfriends! Wacky hijinks!" Claire's numbing might turn out good, hopefully Peter's running with the devils will maybe force him to grow some brain cells, but the whole Mama Petrelli/Sylar thing?

I agree that. There needs to be way more oridinary people on the show. You have three main cast members that are playing ordinary people while everyone else has powers. Suddenly one of those people gets powers this season and another possibly could be getting powers. Are the writers saying only people with powers can be interesting? That's a mistake. The only one that has been powers free from the start and is still around is Noah which seems silly.

I really, really hope the writers are taking us for a ride. If you had Sylar's psych profile, and you wanted to control him, you would do exactly what she's doing. Giving him a whole new backstory that showcases how special he really is. Now that he's more or less unstoppable, he's more of a force to be worked around. Still, I'm more than a little wary at his burgeoning spikeification.

That's what I'm hoping. It's not out of character for Angela to that. The woman was born to manipulate people!

 

[WeAreTheBorg]

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Something was bothering me today.... why didn't Peter just go back in time a couple hours BEFORE the press conference and TELL Nathan not to tell their secret? Wouldnt that be alot easier and less difficult emotionally than to have to kill him?

 

[Dream]

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Something was bothering me today.... why didn't Peter just go back in time a couple hours BEFORE the press conference and TELL Nathan not to tell their secret? Wouldnt that be alot easier and less difficult emotionally than to have to kill him?

Future Peter seemed to be dead set on shooting Nathan. Chalk it up to Peter not thinking it through. Besides it wouldn't have made much of a cliffhanger if Future Peter appeared and calmly explained to Nathan what was going on would it?

 

[Dorian Thompson]

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Originally Posted by WeAreTheBorg
Something was bothering me today.... why didn't Peter just go back in time a couple hours BEFORE the press conference and TELL Nathan not to tell their secret? Wouldnt that be alot easier and less difficult emotionally than to have to kill him?

That bothered me as well. Big time. It didn't make sense. Plot holes of all plot holes. Shooting Nathan is his first impulse? Nathan?

Future Peter seemed to be dead set on shooting Nathan. Chalk it up to Peter not thinking it through. Besides it wouldn't have made much of a cliffhanger would it?

But it makes no sense considering the history of these particular two brothers. Nathan was ready to die for him when he flew him up into the sky. Nathan did it because he didn't want Peter to have to live with it, as Clare pointed out, more than he did it because it's morally reprehensible to murder people. He wasn't going to let go of him. They're co-dependent on each other to an almost unhealthy level, which isn't surprising considering their creepy ass, criminal company loving parents. If someone--anyone--had just asked Peter (by someone I mean Angela or Nathan) why he shot him instead of coming back in time before the press conference, all it would have taken is a certain look by Ventimiglia to let the audience know that something else was a factor in his decision, that something else pretty terrible had happened. That would have let the audience know that something else was up. Nathan's unnaturally restrained reaction, "How should I react to this?"--didn't jibe. Nathan should have been hurt by his brother's admission. Emotionally upset in a big way, then he should have gotten pissed off. If the writers were going to pen such a shocking act, they needed to create the appropriate emotional fallout.

 

[The Old Mixer]

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Future Peter couldn't confide in Nathan because he was afraid of affecting his past....

Yeah, that's not supposed to make any sense to us, but it seems to be the level that Peter's operating on...!

It's too much in it's own world now, I feel. The hook of 'ordinary people with extraordinary powers' is gone

I'd meant to say something along those lines. Now it's just "people with extraordinary powers". Their ordinary lives have been shoved aside. But we'll see where it goes.

Hiro starts off bellyaching about needing a quest. Geek that he is, you think he'd be the first one to think about proactively networking with all those other special people he's met. Instead he seems off in his own plotline again, perhaps to stumble across the others at some point.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

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Future Peter couldn't confide in Nathan because he was afraid of affecting his past....

Shooting him doesn't affect his past? Peter couldn't try? He was going into the past to change it anyway and take the risks. Shooting Nathan should have been Peter's last impulse, not his first. If he was angry at Nathan in the future, why the forehead kiss, the apology, and his words that he hoped Nathan would be able to forgive him.

No sense at all.

 

[Dream]

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Hiro starts off bellyaching about needing a quest. Geek that he is, you think he'd be the first one to think about proactively networking with all those other special people he's met. Instead he seems off in his own plotline again, perhaps to stumble across the others at some point.

Agreed. It really bothers me that all the main characters with the exception of those related like Claire and Peter don't have each other's numbers on speed dial. I wish they would team up more but that could just be my fanboy side talking.

Frankly I'm not very interested in Hiro's plot this season. While Hiro's plot in Feudal Japan in season 2 seemed to progress at snails pace at least it didn't involve him trying to save the world and ended with a somewhat interesting twist of Hiro creating Adam. I know Hiro will save the world from exploding which is why I'm way more interested in the Level 5 criminals storyline, what Claire does, and yes even how Mohinder will deal with himself become the FLY.