HEROES 3x01 "Second Coming" and 3x02 "Butterfly Effect" Discuss/Grade

[Dorian Thompson]

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Actually, after thinking it over......I was disappointed. Too haphazard. The one storyline I was really, really interested in they dropped the ball on. Something had better improve quick.

 

[CommodoreKong]

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I have to say that I really enjoyed the first two episodes, already this season feels much better then the last one, hopefully they will be able to keep up the pace.

The only problem is that the shots/normal people getting powers/future war between normals and mutants seems very similar to the last season of The 4400, but I wouldn't be surprised if some comics had a similar plot before The 4400.

What was Nikki doing the last time we saw her? I was confused when she showed up as someone else (intended I guess) but I don't remember where we left off with her.

Also: Didn't Linderman die in season 1? Why wasn't Nathan surprised to see him "alive"?

I believe Nikki was in a building that blew up last time we saw her. Maybe she has amnesia?

Maybe Nathan thought he could regenerate like Claire? Or he wasn't completely in a logical state of mind while in the hospital?

 

[Meredith]

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I loved the line from sylar saying that eating the brain was sick and disgusting.

I think why Sylar took the brains was so he could study them away from the scene of the crime.

 

[Meredith]

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So, he took Claire's healing power but not her immortality?

Edit: No, she's just numb. Poor Claire.

Sylar did mention something about her that made her special, and now that he is special too.

 

[LutherSloan]

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I wonder if the writers are going to forget the whole Season 2 New Orleans storyline? No sign of any of the characters from there so far.

I agree that Tracy is not Nikki, which is what I originally thought. However, they have completely different powers, so I don't believe that they could still be the same person. Nikki COULD be dead, considering the fact that she shouldn't have been able to survive the explosion she was caught in at the end of last season.

I am also not sure what the deal with Linderman is. I figure he's either invisible to everyone except Nathan, or he's just a part of Nathan's psyche expressing itself (like a dark side). Considering that this is 'villains', I figure he's probably representing Nathan's dark side.

Additionally, when looking at the preview for next week, it does look like Claire is going to head down the bad route, which seems unchanged from the potential future witnessed by Future Peter. I did find it kind of hilarious that Future Claire actually thought she was going to be able to take down Future Peter. He's WAY more powerful than her.

I also wonder if Angela Petrelli's vision of several villains wreaking havoc (including Maury Parkman, Sylar, Adam Monroe, and Linderman) isn't going to come true. Only Linderman is supposed to be dead, whereas the others are technically still alive. It would be interesting to see them return.

 

[Samurai8472]

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Nikki could be like Triplet girl

 

[Professor Zoom]

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I voted average...mostly because of the acting and the stylish directing...but the writing...meh.

A Muh hah hah Mohinder...YES, I'll try the formula! Of course I will! It seems a little out of step of where he was in Season 1. (let's not talk about Season 2.) And the scene with him at the dock...was he going to throw it into the ocean? Um. Yeah, because that's how most scientists destory chemicals.

A Stupid Emo Peter...what's new, right? "Dude, I'll go back in time to change things...HEY, everything's different." Duh, Peter. Wasn't that the POINT in going back to change how YOUR world was?

A clumsy Hiro and Ando scene..."Hey, we've been told we shouldn't open the safe, hey, look a convienent button! Let's press it. HEY...that formula just got stolen by someone! Gosh darn it." It was just a wee bit to much. It made my eyes hurt rolling back in my head.

There's not a lot of...subtly and intelligence in the writing, like there was in Season 1....and that's a little bit disappointing.

I do like the overall mystery they are setting up...of villians and the end of the world (again). I'm intrigued...but I've been down this road...I remember Season 2...

It was average, I'll stick around, but I'm still cautious.

 

[Hunter X]

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Yeah, it was fast paced and all, but the writing was just terrible. Contrived situations and a lot of characters talking about how they feel rather than showing. And geez, Hiro's still going on about destiny? It's like every season begins with characters being reset and then setup for the next adventure (of saving the future...again).

There's potential, but the execution was pretty bad, and a lot of the problems from season 2 are still there. Enough that I have doubts that Kring really knows what was wrong with it, despite what he says.

 

[Aragorn]

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Things are pretty contrived and characters' intelligence levels are completely dependent on plot, but at least things moved fast and kept me entertained. This show is still the anti-Smallville. At least with this show I want to know what happens next.

Believe it or not, my body just froze.
I never thought I could feel so cold.
Shattering away into the sewer I go.
Boy does it blow.
Believe it or not I'm now snow.

 

[Arrqh]

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There's not a lot of...subtly and intelligence in the writing, like there was in Season 1....and that's a little bit disappointing.

This sums it up for me as well. Sure, stuff was happening, but it was all very contrived. The stuff with the safe was a little funny, but also a bit embarrassing. Hiro goes to the future and just happens to be at the exact spot that future him and Ando confront each other which is also just prior to the world kerploding (it actually looked staged to me, which would actually be an interesting twist ). Mohinder's actions were both completely predictable and disappointing because of how monumentally stupid it was; having a bad result was also pretty predictable. Sylar being Angela's son was also predictable and silly. Future Peter is an idiot, but that's not really anything new. Tracy looks exactly like Nikki; if it isn't her what's the point of having a twin? It just seems like a way of keeping the actress around.

So, average. There were still some good bits for sure (Sylar and Claire especially), but there was also a whole lot of poor writing. Hopefully this is just them trying to get back on track, but it sort of seems like instead of looking at why people liked season 1, they're just sort of going through the same motions. Which ultimately comes off as hollow and disappointing to me.

 

[Borgminister]

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Tough crowd!

Y'know, sometimes there is such a thing as a "one hit wonder", an artist who creates something timeless, never to be heard from again.

But I felt the opener at least was a harbinger of potentially good stuff to come--if anything, the danger is too much going on for no discernible reason.

It harkened back to season 1, and kept my interest. If it can refrain from confusing me while maintaining the mood and pacing, season III might mark a turnaround.

I was expecting the worst, and while lightning doesn't strike twice, there were some static shocks in the opener.

I voted excellent, heart filled with hope.

 

[Hyperspace05]

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Hmmm - Above Average for me. Better than I expected - which wasn't much I admit.

Things I liked:
- Hiro/Ando vs 'Flash' girl
- Elle
- Sylar vs. Claire. At least it is out of the way now, and it was handled in an interesting manner.
- Nathan and 'head' Linderman... I saw that twist coming, but still very cool.

Things I did not like:
- More Sylar. Please die, Sylar.
- I am NOT looking forward to an entire season of Peter running around in someone elses body and desperately trying to get people to understand. Spare me.
- Yawn. Yet another trip into the future to see impending doom. Again. But at least the dream sequence was handled better.
- Are they forced by contract to have Ali Larter play a character? Not that I mind her, but they better have a *real* good explanation. And not that everyone is related, please!

 

[Dorian Thompson]

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Was anyone dumbfounded like me that the script didn't have Nathan react with any upset to Peter's admission that he shot him? Did that seem crazy to anyone else considering the past history of these two brothers?

 

[Aragorn]

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So Nathan officially flatlines and the doctors declare him dead, then he's up and healthy again in no time and they don't want to run tests on him until the cows come home? That's getting a bit Smallville there, although Smallville would never have treated it with all that "miracle from God" press coverage. On Smallville, no one would've noticed that he came back to life.

 

[TimmyWl]

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I thought it was good but a over-reliance on cliches - especially with the ones that _don't_ work. I liked the actual thinking of Peter, the whole growing of Claire, and the bit about Nathan getting back in a position of power. The question of Linderman is up in the air - maybe a personification of the road not taken?

I also like the electric girl -one of those evil doers that crossed the line from good to bad and is more of a - what am I doing to do now- moment.

Claire's adopted mother must think the world of disgust towards the new 'protector' of the Bennett family.

I hope that the show will become more original and less based on what it did before.

So, a medium in my case, only elevated due to the above bits.

The whole thing about Mohinder....and WonderTwin!girl ... not good.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

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Linderman can't be real. I suspect it's some other villain projecting to Nathan and impersonating Linderman, and thank heaven for that; it will hold my interest for the time being. Mohinder and Maya are two excuses for the show to depict sex. Their storyline is a complete waste. They both need to go away.

 

[Dream]

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I think tonight's episode was pretty good. Above Average

It went by a little too fast for me but since this was the season premiere it's understable the writers wanted to start the season out with a bang. There were many good things going for it. I liked that Sylar finally took Claire's power. That was something of an unresolved plot point that I thought the writers really needed to deal with ever since they revealed that Sylar survived getting stabbed in "How to Stop an Exploding Man". Loved the whole youtubish video of Sylar owning the two agents sent after him.

I'm actually way more interested in how they deal with the Level 5 inmates escaping then the exploding planet storyline. We all know Hiro will save the world once again but we don't know what the inmates will do before they are caught/killed. Glad the writers dumped West. Please no Claire teenage romance this season! Noah was great the three minutes that he was onscreen. I thought Elle had satisfactory ending considering the writers probably had to rush it when writing for Kristen Bell's exit.

Many fans thought that it was Future Peter that shot Nathan and it looks like the writers had the same idea. Happy that they seemed to be going back to the Nathan's political story since that was the most interesting part of the character from season one. I was really disappointed that they seemed to drop it completely in season 2. Not sure how I feel about the whole Sylar is related to Angela thing but something makes me suspect that she may be lying.

I liked that there were no obviously annoying characters introduced tonight like Maya, Alejandro, Caitlin and West were from last season.

Things I didn't like was how how tacked on the Mohinder and Maya storyline was. Mohinder somehow became even more stupid over the summer but at least that can be considered consistent. I can't say I'm too interested in Tracy but maybe it'll get much better.

Heroes is back.

 

[Dream]

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Was anyone dumbfounded like me that the script didn't have Nathan react with any upset to Peter's admission that he shot him? Did that seem crazy to anyone else considering the past history of these two brothers?

I think Nathan was just overwhelmed or he realized it was the smart to not show much emotion to this stranger. To Nathan the man standing there tried to kill him.

So Nathan officially flatlines and the doctors declare him dead, then he's up and healthy again in no time and they don't want to run tests on him until the cows come home? That's getting a bit Smallville there, although Smallville would never have treated it with all that "miracle from God" press coverage. On Smallville, no one would've noticed that he came back to life.

I really hope they explain what the hell happened. Future Peter obviously didn't save Nathan. I just had an interesting thought.... what if Linderman reached out from the grave and healed Nathan? That would be so unlike this show. Too bad I don't think the writers have the courage to write angels onto the show.

Linderman can't be real. I suspect it's some other villain projecting to Nathan and impersonating Linderman, and thank heaven for that; it will hold my interest for the time being. Mohinder and Maya are two excuses for the show to depict sex. Their storyline is a complete waste. They both need to go away.

I hope the Linderman is really Nathan's subconcious just telling him what he really wants inside. I always thought they resolved the whole Nathan is out for power story from season 1 far too quickly. It'll be great if they explore Nathan's dark side this season by having him becoming senator and eventually president later in a future season.

I agree that Mohinder and Maya's sex scene was completly unnecessary. I say that as a straight guy that likes watching well done sex scenes.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

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Straight girls like sex scenes, too. However, it is possible for them to be entirely gratuitous. Maya and Mohinder are eye candy and nothing more. Every once in a while you see Nathan shirtless, but Nathan actually has something worthwhile to do within the plot, so it's a little different.

I'm hoping Linderman is Nathan's subconscious as well. At this point, Nathan is the more interesting Petrelli brother. I guess I'd built it up in my mind what would happen when Nathan found out that Peter shot him. I expected some emotional payoff, and there was none. It's going to be awfully hard to retrieve that at a later date if present Peter isn't here for Nathan to rail at and Future Peter is running around messing up God knows what. The writers set up this conflict, but have separated the brothers. Not smart.

 

[firehawk12]

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Having just watched the end... is everyone on this show related?
Next week: "Maya... I'm your mother."

But a great start to the season. Monday is turning out to be the best geek night ever.