Here's a Stupid Idea...

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by JB2005, Feb 16, 2011.

  1. JB2005

    JB2005 Commodore Commodore

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    I suggested this as a kind of tongue in cheek thing in a different thread...but if the Trek writer's wanted to include a gay character and subvert every single trope that would have cropped up, why not make Tuvok gay?

    IMHO it would have been the best way to include a gay Trek character in the show (the novels do it well), by just making it so understated and not at all an issue. When mention is made of Tuvok's wife, just subsitute the word wife for husband...the character is gay and Trek once again shows that if you want to push the boundaries, you do it by just including the character and not drawing attention to them.
     
  2. Guy Gardener

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    That would have made Pon far interesting.

    (Just saw a couple samesex characters making out in Greek during an honesty game at the dull end of a birthday party.)

    but honestly, there's no reason that Tim could have "played gay" better or worse than the rest of the cast. Any actor could have done a fine job because they're all professionals except Wang.

    There were gay characters al over DS9, so Voyager just really let the side down.
     
  3. teacake

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    Since Vulcans are betrothed by their families as children this seems.. illogical. But I agree that it offers understated brilliance.
     
  4. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    If the families considerations are political than anything to do with procreation (Not that the staff (handmaidens?) couldn't help out making the next generation.) there's no reason that same sex couples couldn't be paired at birth?

    According to Roddenberry, everyone in the Federation is bisexual so this completely tracks.

    There a Gay Vulcan in Peter David's New Frontier Books. I believe he just ignores pon far since David is suggesting that it's all about babies more so than focussing the katra's chi.
     
  5. JanewayRulz!

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    If so, why did Beverly have such a hard time when her male Trill lover was reborn/implanted into a female trill host?
     
  6. exodus

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    I think it would be more of a issue if it was Tom Paris.
    The womanizer trying to hide his gay affections.
    It would be interesting how the Paris/ Kim buddy dynamic is explored, especially if Kim remains straight. Can a straight man & gay man still remain best friends without conflict.
    The uptight & proper Vulcan seems like too much of a gay stereotype to me.
    Plus, he was too much of a loner to really explore the topic.

    I think it's a subject DS9 missed when exploring how the religious Kira deals with the sexually permiscous and often bi-sexual Jadzia Dax as a friend.
     
  7. Purdy Bear

    Purdy Bear Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I hate to say this, but why does every programme have to have the token gay, fat, etc character.

    Just let the writers write.
     
  8. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Gays haven't got their token yet and according to 12,342 threads on this BBS we need one.
     
  9. exodus

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    Isn't part of Trek understanding equality?
    Wasn't that the point in TOS when the cast was multicultural?
    Is there really equality if a race isn't represented?
     
  10. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Voyager chose not to have a gay character just wander in and wander out. It's not that we want or need or demand that there should have been or there might have been a gay character, we just want to know why the notion of a gay character was forbidden.

    Forbidden.

    FORBIDDEN.

    FORBIDDEN.

    Strong word?

    Not really.

    It was a stretch of seven years back when this stuff could have been a token or stunt and still be relevant.

    Good Lord!

    They had Susanna Thompson on set 6 or 7 times and she probably still smelt a little like Terry Farrel from their 15 and half takes of slobbering all over each other on DS9, if nothing else "girl on girl" is an easy inside track for an emmy nomination.

    I suppose the stuff in Warlord or Body and Soul was almost gay?
     
  11. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    They should have had Tom cheat on B'Elanna with Harry.
     
  12. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    There's a fine line between cheating and being really really cold.

    (Flash back to Taxi in my mind.)
     
  13. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    THE CHUTE.

    That's your ep for gayness.
     
  14. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Poop chute? On the nose much?

    Tom was crazy.

    What about Tuvok and Tom in Gravity? They spent 6 months alone with Tankgirl.

    Chakotay was in an Orgy in Unity... The Healing Link hadn't vanished yet when he began shagging Riely. It was the joy of feeling himself plough her through her own vagina which excited the monet as well as the 4 other borg attached to the subspace link.
     
  15. exodus

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    I don't get why Jadzia Dax doesn't quailify?

    Worf was jealous of her being with another women.
    Why would he think that of her if he didn't suspect her of swinging that way?
     
  16. Guy Gardener

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    Because Jadzia had been there before and Worf is an idiot for not trusting her(This was well before they were married.). It doesn't matter if even you're positive she is cheating on you because she's fucking some one in front of you, you always treat the lady with respect believing that she has honor and has your best interests close to heart because it's your fault you can't make her happy by yourself.
     
  17. exodus

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    If you're positive someone is cheating on you, they don't deserve respect because they sure aren't respecting you.
    If you treat them with honor, then you're only making a fool of yourself.
     
  18. PikeFan

    PikeFan Commander Red Shirt

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    For one, PLEASE use HOM instead of gay... gay means happy, not to mention it's my middle name.

    Homo characters might have been to shocking at that time. NO homo Tuvok... illogical. Harry would be a naive homo. My homo VOY choice would have to be 7, only because she explored her humanity, and sexuality with a holo-Chakotay, why not hit on another chick.... (Janeway?)
     
  19. Guy Gardener

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    Gay hasn't meant happy in a very long time.

    Even as a child of 4 or 5 listening to the opening lyrics,i was wondering where the homosexual orgies were in the Flintstons? Perhaps the WaterBuffaloes initiation ceremonies?
     
  20. exodus

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    "Homo" is usually a derogatory term against homosexuals.
    Sorry, I'm going to continue to use "gay" as the accepted terminology within the gay community.