Here it is - no bloody "A", "B" "C" or "D"

[Michael Chris]

The TOS Enterprise was beautiful and majestic.

**Bursts out laughing**

Isn't that supposed to be 'burst out in applause,' laddie?

Nah, it just indicates my amusement in that fact that because it was on an pretty good TV show that it's suddenly "beautiful and majestic." I mean, yes the model is actually quite beautiful but the fact is that it was not carried over well into the show and was not shot beautifully and definitely not majestically. It's just interesting to note how just being connected to Star Trek elevates the ship.

 

[tomalak301]

I kind of wished they would have "backed up" the Nacelles a bit. I mean the ship itself looks cool, but it looks too squished in. I guess they had to make it different from the original Enterprise and in that sense for this movie, it doesn't look too bad.

 

[ancient]

Well then maybe they should just built it in space, the way you'd build a real interplanetary vessel that doesn't need to enter atmospheres.

Man, you're being dead serious aren't you? Y'know, the only reason the ship never landed in TOS was because it was too expenive to show. It ain't a big deal.

Of course I'm being dead serious, just as I have been in about 300 other threads in the last decade (this debate existed long before the movie started, it is just that there are infinitely more morons who buy the built-on-earth lunacy now that Abrams is doing it.)

My God, yes, I suppose anyone that doesn't agree with you about how all this fake entertainment nonsense is supposed to work - is just a moron. Nice.

In his original notes, it said rarely lands. That's probably in the same notes that describe spock as being 'probably half-martian.' By the time he was getting underway, he had Harvey Lynn doing tech stuff for him, along with Kellam Deforest, and he had a very good notion of how you don't build down in a gravity well for a ship that ain't going to enter one.

If you need any more, go back over the last year and put the words 'built on earth' into a search, and you'll get more information than I imagine you can possibly absorb.

Yawn, no thanks.

The ship looks much better in the trailer, and I love the shot of the ship on the ground. Iconic.

 

[cooleddie74]

Ohh!...sniff...what could have been.

Those or Gabe's version would've been just amazing....

Love ye work, Madkoifish!!! ... Very much on par with Gabe's.

Maybe Paramount was too proud to submit to outside designers who were on to a good thing, and true to Gene's ideal!

Thought you might like to see my Enterprise designs...

http://www.freeman33.com/spensenterp.html
http://www.freeman33.com/enterfb.html
http://www.freeman33.com/etb.html
http://www.freeman33.com/enterprisecross.html

Any of these would be superior to the design we're getting in the movie. Vektor should have worked for Abrams and Paramount.

 

[M'Sharak]

**Bursts out laughing**

Isn't that supposed to be 'burst out in applause,' laddie? And I gotta note the obvious conflict between your lil endquote and the tone of your post ... a post as clearly derisive as yours indicates you'd probably kick cripples (and yeah, I'm using that non-pc word deliberately.)

So... the fact that he doesn't think the original enterprise was "majestic and beautiful" (I can't say I disagree with him), and made a post about laughing about it makes him a cripple kicker?

I believe that trevanian was pointing out the apparent disconnect between that derision and the signature sported by Michael Chris:

Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.

Also:

Here you go M'Sharak: Madkoifish's designs:

http://www.redspar.com/enterprise/mad1.jpg
http://www.redspar.com/enterprise/mad2.jpg
http://www.redspar.com/enterprise/mad3.jpg]

Also for your viewing pleasure, Vektor's designs (subtle changes yet very detailed)
http://www.redspar.com/enterprise/vek1.jpg
http://www.redspar.com/enterprise/vek2.jpg

Ohh!...sniff...what could have been.

Those or Gabe's version would've been just amazing....

I didn't get a chance before -- things were moving along rather rapidly at the time -- but thanks for posting those, RedSpar. Very nice, indeed!

 

[The Old Mixer]

Looks like the love child of the TMP refit and the 1701-D to me...I think it looks stylish and powerful....I'm holding out final judgment until I've seen it from more angles. From that image that was briefly up showing the front view, though, I'd say that the pylons still look spindly and fragile.

What surprises me from reading a good portion of this thread is that so many people are holding onto expectations that this movie will fit into existing Trek "canon"....I haven't gone out of my way to spoil myself, but everything I've seen makes it fairly obvious that it's a reboot of at least TOS. I haven't seen anything that suggests continuity with "Where No Man Has Gone Before", for example....

I'll take the new movie on its own terms for whatever it is....If I want "real" TOS, I've got my DVDs.

 

[HRHTheKING]

Madkoifish's design is superb.

 

[C.E. Evans]

It's just amazing what some more dramatic lighting can do, such as in Vektor's work...

Sometimes I wonder if it's not so much an issue of design philosophy as it is the difference between how things were filmed 40+ years ago...

 

[cooleddie74]

A lot of Vektor's work surpasses the best effects from DS9, VOY and ENT in the later years of the television franchise. Look at this Enterprise! It is simply incredible. The shading. Reflections of light on the hull plating. The planet.

 

[RedSpar]

I have no idea why ILM hasn't scooped up Vektor yet. He does brilliant work and I am a 3d modeler so I don't say this lightly

 

[cooleddie74]

Vektor is one of the best CGI/model dudes I've ever seen. Period. End of story. His underappreciation is a crime.

 

[Classic Fan]

Vektor is one of the best CGI/model dudes I've ever seen. Period. End of story. His underappreciation is a crime.

I am a 3d modeller also, and i follow Vektors work in art quite a bit. I used to post there a year back but recently havnt had the time. His work is fantastic, really is.

Im a big fan of his Vanguard, from the UESPA. That was outstanding.



Yeah, like most, i wouldve prefered a slight redesign and a few tatoos and a bit of plastic surgery to the Old E, but alas, that was not to be.

Madkoifish and Vektors Big E re-design/refit and a miriad of others out there on the interweb are fantastic, some of the best i have seen, and more faithful.

but hey, its what we got.






However, cant wait for the effects to be re-editied with these models, we could create a whol load of bootlegged re-edited movies, movies for the hardcore Trek fan.

 

[RedSpar]

The model itself on the new movie Enterprise is extremely well done, extremely well detailed and textured. It's just the design of it that has something left to be desired. I think it was designed by committee by the looks of it.

 

[Rivas_Jakarta]

Cary,I really think you're overstating and overthinking this. If this is THE ship, then, yes, I am disappointed that it looks less like the original than I had hoped. I showed this picture to a friend of mine who, while not a huge Trek fan, is a sci-fi fan and he said, " It looks the same." So I do believe that it is we, the select few, who are really obsessing about this. The casual fan and non fan are not going to see this and be as bummed out. They want to see a Star Trek movie and are less concerned with these trivial bits of minutae.

Frankly that's what I want to see, too.

Well, I'll certainly be going to see the film (once) anyway.

It may be a great film. Or not. And the "set-dressing" isn't gonna establish that either way.

I just think it's unfortunate that the people doing the flick seem to have chosen to make changes that don't really seem to add to the experience for anyone (fan or non-fan).

I actually think we largely agree here... and if I'm overstating it, it's because for 43 years now I've known that ship. From the time I was a lil' kid, I told everyone that when I grew up I "wanted to build the Enterprise." There's a degree of emotional attachment that I feel.

This is what the "new movie" crew, and the "forget TOS" people on here for that matter, seem to not realize. For those of us who've been there from the beginning, this ship is something we have an emotional attachment to.

So... let's give a parallel. It's a movie that's out right now called "Changeling." In this movie, a woman loses her son... and they bring back a kid who meets the description of that kid... but who isn't the kid she knows. It's not her son.

But c'mon, he's a boy, he's the same age, same height, etc, etc. The thing is, he's not the one who she's emotionally connected to. He's not her SON.

That's sort of how some of us feel right now. We're being told that this is "the Enterprise" but we know that it's not. It's not "the Enterprise with a little plastic surgery." It's just another ship... but we're supposed to accept it as such.

So, for those of us who are reacting, perhaps, a little bit emotionally here... that's it, really. For those of you who don't get it, maybe if you think about it that way, you'll start to.

I think I'm done with this topic now. But just FYI... thanks for the nice reply, Six. Your point is well-taken.

Alright your done you've equated a fictional ship with an emotional attachment to a person. Stop. Now, Please. I know you love the show I know you love the Enterprise but they are in no way the same thing. I won't you the normal snark that some would about a shrink, but I mean come on... It's a fictional ship and that's way too much of an emotional attachment for something not real.

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I second that notion. You hardcore DORKS are crying about this new design ruining everything and talking about emotional attachments. Attachments to a FICTIONAL ship for cying out loud!

Give it up!!!! Go get a f***ing life already!

Maybe some of you need to leave Mommy's basement, get out and see the movie for whatever it's worth (good or bad), and be glad that us Trek nerds are even getting another movie at all!!!

If you still want cry about it, go to a bar and deal with all the changes over a drink. Who knows, maybe you can find a REAL person to form an emotional attachment as opposed to a FICTIONAL spacecraft.

Trust me, real people are more fun that fictional ships. All I have to is ask my fiancee.

Grow up already. Bunch of DORKS. Even the D&D retards are laughing at us now.

 

[Rivas_Jakarta]

I love the posts that start with a paragraph about how the poster is a "lifelong fan" who "saw Where No Man Has Gone Before when I was a child during the Napoleonic Wars" etcetera, as if it lends gravitas to their "take" on Trek 11. Like anyone gives a flying fuck. Well done, you had a tv in your house. Your medal's in the post.

We're all fans here, each one of us is entitled to like or loath the JJprise for whatever reason.

Who here ever said anything different? And as one of the "lifelong fans" you may be referring to, who gives a flying fuck what YOU give a flying fuck about? Not me, that's for sure. I don't want a medal for having a tv in my house. You sound both jaded and cranky--what's the matter? Did that mean old Mrs. Johnson insist on having ALL her groceries double-bagged down at the supermarket today? Why not yell upstairs to your Mom to bring you a nice hot Ovaltine? That'll cheer you up. It's getting late now, you better get those jammies on and march off to bed, you little scamp. Douchebag.

I second this one as well

 

[M'Sharak]

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I second that notion. You hardcore DORKS are crying about this new design ruining everything and talking about emotional attachments. Attachments to a FICTIONAL ship for cying out loud!

Give it up!!!! Go get a f***ing life already!

Maybe some of you need to leave Mommy's basement, get out and see the movie for whatever it's worth (good or bad), and be glad that us Trek nerds are even getting another movie at all!!!

If you still want cry about it, go to a bar and deal with all the changes over a drink. Who knows, maybe you can find a REAL person to form an emotional attachment as opposed to a FICTIONAL spacecraft.

Trust me, real people are more fun that fictional ships. All I have to is ask my fiancee.

Grow up already. Bunch of DORKS. Even the D&D retards are laughing at us now.

Fixed your quote tags for you.

Now: the parts I've put in bold type here are things you really ought to avoid. Address the content and substance of the post and refrain from taking personal shots at another poster. If I see you calling names and making insinuations of the sort you've made here, you might earn a warning.

And I really hate giving warnings -- they screw up my day terribly.

Edit:

That other post you quoted and seconded above (and for which that poster received a flaming warning) is not helping your case a bit. Cool it. Post, not poster.

 

[Psion]

Y'know for all the "optimism" expressed by a certain contingent on these boards, they sure do have some darned intolerant members who are awfully eager to go postal whenever someone says something they don't like.

Not that I'm naming any names.

 

[SLWalker]

Y'know for all the "optimism" expressed by a certain contingent on these boards, they sure do have some darned intolerant members who are awfully eager to go postal whenever someone says something they don't like.

Not that I'm naming any names.

Wow, really. I haven't seen an internet blood bath like this in a long time.

 

[Captain Robert April]

The theory has been posited that a lot of the cheerleading is being done by plants, in the vein of "viral marketing".

If true, then these guys are in deeper trouble than we may realize.

 

[SalvorHardin]

*sigh*