Here it is - no bloody "A", "B" "C" or "D"

[Qonos]

Sorry, those engines are droopy. They look like they're yawning. I really want to like the ship, and I will try hard to force myself to like it, but I think I actually dislike it more today than yesterday, which isn't a good sign.

Scientificly the new engines work via the same physics as a jet engine. The large bussard scoops pull in particles and as they are forced out the back the tapering helps speed up the particle stream.. You know how a jet works with water and air. Particles are matter and when you compact them in a stream they move faster.. This is called thrust.

You're fucking kidding me right? Please tell me those idiots didn't just destroy EVERYTHING that is Trek by turning the ffing warp engines in a jet engine. You know, I SAID over and over again, how Abrams ridiculous bullshit talking seems he has NO idea about physics and reality whatsoever, and now it's true.

Do these complete morons not understand a little thing called relativity? That little problem with NOT BEING ABLE to go FASTER THAN THE SPEED of LIGHT, by simply pushing on something.

And to think, the warp drive theory is a fully functional scientific theory for the past 13 FFING years.

Congratulations, Star Trek is reduced to Star Wars; a meaningless pile of shit with nothing that comes even close to any attempt at scientific reality.



I haven't seen a single fan design with pipes sticking out of the nacelles.

Most people also still love those "ruler" pylons. Which look so fragile and frail.

Those pylons don't need to be super strong. There are no stresses placed upon them.

Finally once again there are particles in space. You still have to move through those efficently with the least use of power.

No, you don't. For that you have a deflector dish, which bends particles and small pieces of debris around the ship. Which incidentally also has nothing to do with any pylon or warp nacelle.

I'm not even responding to you anymore you have no idea how physics works. Even is space there are particles and friction and Inertia. There are gravity stresses from celestial bodies.. I have no time to deal with a person who is remaining willfully ingnorant of how the REAL universe works so he can stay cocooned in Dampening structural integrity fields. Yes the deflector moves crap out of the way but it's not a perfect system and with the production of that field the Enterprise BLEEDS energy into space.

The warp field still needs Micro particles to work you can propell a ship with nothing energy has no mass and mass is what causes thrust, unless you are creating two similar magnetic fields and then they repell each other.

You have to stop thinking Trek science and start thinking real science.

 

[wamdue]

so where does the NX 01 stand on the this?

Retconned, out of existence.

the NX 01 aside, it kinda looks like a cross between the C and A.

 

[Rowan Sjet]

Taken apart, the saucer is fine, and the secondary hull and nacelles are fine. But together, the secondary hull needs to be pushed back a bit on the connecting hull. It's too stuck out at the front and too scrunched up at the back.

 

[Kemaiku]

Archer (either the Archer or a descendant) is mentioned and Abrams did say he would have a nod to each show. That and Nero meddles from about 2245 onward.

Enterprise is the only thing from "old canon" to still exist if the reset button is not used at the end. Think about that.

 

[TK421]

Ok, ok.

The design isnt that bad, as a stand alone varient connie it works, as a mirror connie it works, hell, even for this movie it works.


Fuck me, what am i saying, its a new movie charting the early years, they can change what they want to be honest, they dont even need to have the enterprise if Pike wasnt involved. They couldve pissed everyone off and not built one, but they have, and this is what we got.

Anyway, now heres the Trek side of my personality...:

After a day at work, ive looked at it again and it isnt that bad, still not great, and still a bastardisation of a good timeless design which inspred almost all of modern sci-fi out of rocket ships, capsuals and saucers.


The saucer looks to be the most faithful out of the whole lot, still not too keen on the jet-nacelles.


TK421, hope you dont mind but i took your edited image and did a little further editing.

I like it, its differnt and whats its supposed to be, but, to get completly anal-trekkie about the whole thing...

Its a simple edit, but it does change the entire look of it somewhat.

All i have done is edit the colours of the dish and nacelle caps, and for comic effect, stuck in the TOS shuttle.

Heh, I like it.

Yeah, I'm in complete agreement. Just to get a new Enterprise and movie is fun and exciting.

 

[Darth_Pinche]

The new Enterprise looks like a dog with its penis extended (lipstick-style), ready for action. This is definitely Kirk's ship.

I was thinking that the nacelle's need a circumcision. See that would be cannon given that Kirk and Spock and Abrams are Jewish.

 

[Twilight]

I don't know how to feel about it ...

I rather liked the Bridge photos but the ship itself looks a little squat. The neck seems pushed a tad too far back to the lower section, and the nacelles look a bit front heavy.

Having said that, I think it's something to get used to - and it'd be nice to see it in motion and from more angles...

 

[THE CHEBB]

OUCH!
Thats gonna leave a mark.
Im calling this Uma Thurman.
No matter how much i look at it, how many time i think about it, i still cant work out if shes pretty or not.

Hehehe - nice to know I'm not the only one!

 

[TK421]

I don't know how to feel about it ...

I rather liked the Bridge photos but the ship itself looks a little squat. The neck seems pushed a tad too far back to the lower section, and the nacelles look a bit front heavy.

Having said that, I think it's something to get used to - and it'd be nice to see it in motion and from more angles...

You make a good point about the motion.

The design may well reflect the way they they intended to shoot the action.

 

[Classic Fan]

OUCH!
Thats gonna leave a mark.
Im calling this Uma Thurman.
No matter how much i look at it, how many time i think about it, i still cant work out if shes pretty or not.

Hehehe - nice to know I'm not the only one!

LOL, thats going back a bit. That was my initial reaction, i was tired after work and all of a sudden, my left cheek stung.

I don't know how to feel about it ...

I rather liked the Bridge photos but the ship itself looks a little squat. The neck seems pushed a tad too far back to the lower section, and the nacelles look a bit front heavy.

Having said that, I think it's something to get used to - and it'd be nice to see it in motion and from more angles...

You make a good point about the motion.

The design may well reflect the way they they intended to shoot the action.

Thats a fair point, at this angle it looks so out of proportion, so maybe at a different angle it will almost ok.

Its growing on me though, at the moment i still think its a bastard child of the Refit Enterprise and The Excelsior.







EDIT: LOL. wouldnt it be funny if this was another viral marketing venture and the Enterprise looked completely different onscreen, changed at last minute without the knowledge of the industries leak-miners. Abrams is famous for his viral marketing, i think its him anyway.


Not having seen the trailer, i dont know if the ship is seen with cast members in the same frame, so given that, it could be changed.

 

[Inquisitive]

Just looking at this image shows how close they stayed to the original design while mixing elements from the TMP era Constitution class refit. The basic layout is identical, they just played around with proportions a bit. Some of the people in this thread are over reacting to this design, when in fact it stays true to the original while injecting it with modern design elements. Overall, J.J. and crew did a great job with it, and I cannot wait to see it on the big screen this Friday.

Edit: I am not convinced the Nacelle tips are chromed, I think they are subjected to a reflection of something in this scene.

 

[TK421]

Well, you know, it could be more in proportion and they just faked a fish-eye lens for this angle.

 

[Qonos]

Just looking at this image shows how close they stayed to the original design while mixing elements from the TMP era Constitution class refit. The basic layout is identical, they just played around with proportions a bit. Some of the people in this thread are over reacting to this design, when in fact it stays true to the original while injecting it with modern design elements. Overall, J.J. and crew did a great job with it, and I cannot wait to see it on the big screen this Friday.

Edit: I am not convinced the Nacelle tips are chromed, I think they are subjected to a reflection of something in this scene.

I'm starting to feel the same way. Dark thick glass (Or Transparent Alluminum) which is reflecting the saucer section... So I mistook it for Chrome. Still a beautiful ship, much sturdier design that what all the purists are calling for. Looks like it can hold it's own in a fight without being damaged too badly.

I also love how all the haters are saying the deflector sticks out from the main body when you can see an obvious housing attacked to the deflector....... which makes the Engineering hull look longer out front. God knows we don't want to keep a photon torpedo from blowing the damn thing off.

 

[Kemaiku]

^Have you seen Gabe's design? that thing was beefed up, heavier and thicker than most redesigns and still kept the right proportions, he achieved a better balance than this.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

so where does the NX 01 stand on the this?

Retconned, out of existence.

You wish. They didn't even change the breed of Archer's dog.

classic.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Ryan Church, the designer of the ship, has posted at Trekmovie.com and says (in part):

To clarify: there’s a slight optical illusion occurring here, consequence of the “camera” angle. For Rick and others who worry the nacelles don’t have a clear line of sight over the disc — they, in fact, do. We were hardly working in a vacuum. I raided ILM reference photos like a madman. We were deferential to “inviolates” of Star Trek design vocabulary. Additionally, the profile here isn’t 100% representative, because, as you’ve noticed, the Bussards are dimmed. The true profile of the nacelles may or may not be revealed here, and that’s all I’ll say.

http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/11/first-full-image-of-new-star-trek-enterprise/#1213656

 

[Kemaiku]

Ryan Church, the designer of the ship, has posted at Trekmovie.com and says (in part):

To clarify: there’s a slight optical illusion occurring here, consequence of the “camera” angle. For Rick and others who worry the nacelles don’t have a clear line of sight over the disc — they, in fact, do. We were hardly working in a vacuum. I raided ILM reference photos like a madman. We were deferential to “inviolates” of Star Trek design vocabulary. Additionally, the profile here isn’t 100% representative, because, as you’ve noticed, the Bussards are dimmed. The true profile of the nacelles may or may not be revealed here, and that’s all I’ll say.

http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/11/first-full-image-of-new-star-trek-enterprise/#1213656

So they can't even up up front about the damned thing, they have to hide its full ugliness behind optical tricks.

 

[Michael]

Ryan Church, the designer of the ship, has posted at Trekmovie.com and says (in part):

To clarify: there’s a slight optical illusion occurring here, consequence of the “camera” angle. For Rick and others who worry the nacelles don’t have a clear line of sight over the disc — they, in fact, do. We were hardly working in a vacuum. I raided ILM reference photos like a madman. We were deferential to “inviolates” of Star Trek design vocabulary. Additionally, the profile here isn’t 100% representative, because, as you’ve noticed, the Bussards are dimmed. The true profile of the nacelles may or may not be revealed here, and that’s all I’ll say.

http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/11/first-full-image-of-new-star-trek-enterprise/#1213656

This comment is a very nice touch. That alone makes me appreciate the new design even more; even though I don't really care that much about adhering to the fictional science of (previous) Star Trek ...

 

[Inquisitive]

^Have you seen Gabe's design? that thing was beefed up, heavier and thicker than most redesigns and still kept the right proportions, he achieved a better balance than this.

The thing I do not understand is how is this design "off balance". I also do not think the TMP Constitution design is any better or worse than the J.J.-prise. Its just two different sides of the same coin, each is its own take on modernizing the TOS era Enterprise with whatever they felt was more modern at the time. The same goes for any fan render, its all equally valid, and for the most part they stay true to the core design elements of the original Ent.

Edit: The image I referenced above is actually a bit squished, giving the J.J.-prise a short and stubby look.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

So they can't even up up front about the damned thing, they have to hide its full ugliness behind optical tricks.

No, you don't understand what you're reading.

And Gabriel Koener's design is not better than this one. Sorry.