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Here it is - no bloody "A", "B" "C" or "D"

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I kinda like it. Based on what Abrams said in the accompanying article (trying to evoke both the TMP and TOS Enterprise in the design), I think he at least partially succeeded, at least in terms of the TMP Enterprise. The primary hull is almost identical to the TMP primary hull, the deflector dish is very similar, though it looks like it might have the pointy doo-jigger (please excuse the "technobabble") from the TOS Enterprise in the middle. I think I see the red outlined docking ring on the secondary hull, pretty much a direct lift from the TMP design. So overall it looks more like the TMP Enterprise (my personal favorite) than the TOS Enterprise. I do like the way the primary hull support strut sort of gradually fades into the secondary hull as the bottom side of that section tapers upward. It's a nice effect. Overall, if anything, it kinda reminds me of the general shape of the Enterprise-C. I'm looking forward to seeing different views, and seeing how she looks in motion on the big screen. I don't think I can really decide how I feel about the overall design based on one still.

Now, why did they strap two old Buicks where the nacelles should be?
 
It looks cool, xan82. I do have a beef with the red nacelle caps. Between that and the big shiny deflector that was already there, it now looks completely out of place in the TOS era.

Like I said, I dig it, but not for the prusposes the ship is supposed to serve.
 
Guy's - come on.

Look at it? It's a fake - why are you so desperate to believe what you are looking at - there is no definition - there is is no detail - no nothing..!!

This is not the USS Enterprise - it's a fake.


Yes - the production company gave Entertainment Weekly an exclusive to a fake image. Yes... :rolleyes:

Sarcasm aside :rolleyes: - where is the name of the vessel on the underside of the saucer? Where is the UFP detail on the side of the secondary hull - that has been consistant throught various incarnations of trek? Where is the detail of registry on the nacelles.

I could go on......

Bottom of the class - this is a fake.

Anyone remember that famous picture that does the rounds from ST111? The one where the Enterprise in in dock approaching the Excelsior - that had detail and substance and was over 20 years old.

This has none of that therefore I'd question whether it's real.

I don't think it is.
 
I could go on......


You could, but then you'd be missing the point. Being as this is obviously a new ship design, from brand new producers, they're under no obligation to follow and rules or include any hallmarks of starship design that you call 'authentic.'
 
I could go on......


You could, but then you'd be missing the point. Being as this is obviously a new ship design, from brand new producers, they're under no obligation to follow and rules or include any hallmarks of starship design that you call 'authentic.'

I never said it was not 'authentic' - I simply questioned the validity and antecedence of the picture produced.

Nothing more. :techman:
 
I never said it was not 'authentic' - I simply questioned the validity and antecedence of the picture produced.

Nothing more. :techman:

You said it was a fake and we were kidding ourselves for thinking it's real. Sounds like you were questioning its authenticity to me, my friend!
 
That is the single most ugly pile of shit I've ever seen in my entire life. It looks like someone constipated shat out the original enterprise and his sphincter crushed it into... well a pile of shit.

The nacelles are ridiculous, the engineering sections looks like someone used a shrink ray on it, and then smashed one part of it, and the neck is so far back, it looks like the deflector dish was puked out as an after thought.
 
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Guy's - come on.

Look at it? It's a fake - why are you so desperate to believe what you are looking at - there is no definition - there is is no detail - no nothing..!!

This is not the USS Enterprise - it's a fake.


Yes - the production company gave Entertainment Weekly an exclusive to a fake image. Yes... :rolleyes:

Sarcasm aside :rolleyes: - where is the name of the vessel on the underside of the saucer? Where is the UFP detail on the side of the secondary hull - that has been consistant throught various incarnations of trek? Where is the detail of registry on the nacelles.

I could go on......

Bottom of the class - this is a fake.

Anyone remember that famous picture that does the rounds from ST111? The one where the Enterprise in in dock approaching the Excelsior - that had detail and substance and was over 20 years old.

This has none of that therefore I'd question whether it's real.

I don't think it is.

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Sorry, those engines are droopy. They look like they're yawning. I really want to like the ship, and I will try hard to force myself to like it, but I think I actually dislike it more today than yesterday, which isn't a good sign.

Scientificly the new engines work via the same physics as a jet engine. The large bussard scoops pull in particles and as they are forced out the back the tapering helps speed up the particle stream.. You know how a jet works with water and air. Particles are matter and when you compact them in a stream they move faster.. This is called thrust.

You're fucking kidding me right? Please tell me those idiots didn't just destroy EVERYTHING that is Trek by turning the ffing warp engines in a jet engine. You know, I SAID over and over again, how Abrams ridiculous bullshit talking seems he has NO idea about physics and reality whatsoever, and now it's true.

Do these complete morons not understand a little thing called relativity? That little problem with NOT BEING ABLE to go FASTER THAN THE SPEED of LIGHT, by simply pushing on something.

And to think, the warp drive theory is a fully functional scientific theory for the past 13 FFING years.

Congratulations, Star Trek is reduced to Star Wars; a meaningless pile of shit with nothing that comes even close to any attempt at scientific reality.

The thing that surprises me is how people can point to all the obvious fan designs, call them better but not see there flaws, Like Pipes sticking out on the Nacelles where they can be blasted easily.

I haven't seen a single fan design with pipes sticking out of the nacelles.

Most people also still love those "ruler" pylons. Which look so fragile and frail.

Those pylons don't need to be super strong. There are no stresses placed upon them.

Finally once again there are particles in space. You still have to move through those efficently with the least use of power.

No, you don't. For that you have a deflector dish, which bends particles and small pieces of debris around the ship. Which incidentally also has nothing to do with any pylon or warp nacelle.
 
You're fucking kidding me right? Please tell me those idiots didn't just destroy EVERYTHING that is Trek by turning the ffing warp engines in a jet engine. You know, I SAID over and over again, how Abrams ridiculous bullshit talking seems he has NO idea about physics and reality whatsoever, and now it's true.

Do these complete morons not understand a little thing called relativity? That little problem with NOT BEING ABLE to go FASTER THAN THE SPEED of LIGHT, by simply pushing on something.

And to think, the warp drive theory is a fully functional scientific theory for the past 13 FFING years.

Congratulations, Star Trek is reduced to Star Wars; a meaningless pile of shit with nothing that comes even close to any attempt at scientific reality.

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"Our weapons are ineffective captain, the ship appears to be composed of matter from a parallel universe!"
"My gods!... a dreaded reboot-class vessel!"
"Captain?"
"We're doomed! Set self-destruct! Get to the escape pods, and don't forget your sombreros!"

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Feed the troll

You're fucking kidding me right? Please tell me those idiots didn't just destroy EVERYTHING that is Trek by turning the ffing warp engines in a jet engine. You know, I SAID over and over again, how Abrams ridiculous bullshit talking seems he has NO idea about physics and reality whatsoever, and now it's true.

Actually I think they have a far far better grasp on reality (and physics) than you. In reality, in which I am sitting, in which this FICTIONAL STORY TAKES PLACE ON A SCREEN we actually have no idea how to travel faster than light... Plenty of hare-brained ideas but no concrete methods or ways to prove or disprove them.


Do these complete morons not understand a little thing called relativity? That little problem with NOT BEING ABLE to go FASTER THAN THE SPEED of LIGHT, by simply pushing on something.
This is where the FICTION part of science fiction comes in. For 40 years or so we've used SUBSPACE as a method of getting around relativity. Perhaps the new movie will, maybe it will come up with a different method, maybe it doesn't matter how the ship works after all but maybe the STORY itself is more important?

And to think, the warp drive theory is a fully functional scientific theory for the past 13 FFING years.
:guffaw: Really? Fully functional? Can you provide proofs? Verified by major established scientific centers? Verified by peer review? I'm almost certain this is a vapor on your part sir, because if there was a valid theory that could be tested/replicated at will in a lab setting, one that throws Relativity to the wind... we would have heard about it. Funding would be POURING IN. Sadly a quick check of Google shows this to be untrue.


Congratulations, Star Trek is reduced to Star Wars; a meaningless pile of shit with nothing that comes even close to any attempt at scientific reality.
For a meaningless pile of shit Star Wars sure has a huge fanbase, far more presence in the media, and a much much bigger revenue stream than Trek does at the moment. Remember: Any single Star Wars movie has out-grossed any single Trek movie because they put the babble and canon on the back-seat and do whatever it takes to bring the casual AND die-hard fans in.

I haven't seen a single fan design with pipes sticking out of the nacelles.
I do believe that the beloved TOS Enterprise has some details sticking out that could be "shot off." And as much as I hate to say it, the fan designs do not count when it comes to Studio Produced Official Product. Our designs just don't matter, can't matter and never will matter to the people in the offices. Bringing in "fan design" and "fan-canon" and "accepted fact" it's just meaningless in the face of what the studio decides to put out.

Most people also still love those "ruler" pylons. Which look so fragile and frail.

Those pylons don't need to be super strong. There are no stresses placed upon them.

Here you go assuming that warp drive works in reality. Reality man. It does not. In fact we HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE ENGINES WORK, just some clever doubletalk based on science and engineering. How the hell do you run fusion reactors without massive cooling sinks and heat radiatiors? I'm sorry but there is no basis on which to base your assumption that the design of the nacelle struts... nothing that matters anyway. It's pure visual design, not based on a real physical process or understanding of one.

Finally once again there are particles in space. You still have to move through those efficently with the least use of power.
No, you don't. For that you have a deflector dish, which bends particles and small pieces of debris around the ship. Which incidentally also has nothing to do with any pylon or warp nacelle.
In "reality" it would take far more power to sense, react to, and deflect particles at FTL speed than it would to attract them and consume them. At least that's my understanding of physics Again though none of the stuff mentioned above is REAL. It's all PRETEND. Based on MAKE BELIVE PHYSICS. And it doesn't matter when it's all said and done.

You folks that bring the hate and scream blasphemy and heresy and canon violation are worse than any religious zealots I know. Being active in church I'm exposed to extremists within my sect, and they have NOTHING on you guys.

My advice: GET A LIFE, IT'S JUST A TV SHOW, ITS JUST A MOVIE.
 
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