There's no proof that Risa is a member of the Federation, but it's implied that it is. (I don't recall any canon references to non-Federation members making use of it.)
There's no evidence that Risa is "lawless", at any rate.
Here is how I think the federation works without needing money.
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There's no proof that Risa is a member of the Federation, but it's implied that it is. (I don't recall any canon references to non-Federation members making use of it.)
There's no evidence that Risa is "lawless", at any rate.
Of course Picard didn't say money doesn't exist in the Federation, he said the 24th century, making the no money statement basically include ... well everywhere.
Risa, Bajor and the Klingon Empire have money, so not the 24th century.
Or just the economics of Humanity.
You mean the canon that money does exist? Because we hear of it's use inside the Federation by people from the Federation?
Given that money is used in the Federation, Picard's and Jake's identically worded statements could mean the absence a particular form of money by Humanity, while all other forms are still there. For Humanity physical money might be long gone, while electronic financial transfers are common.
The latter would explain both Beverly's purchase of the cloth (nothing physical, just an authorization), and Uhura shopping trip on K7 (no apparent purse/pockets).
At the same time, non-Humanity across the Federation might use a combination of electronic financial transfers and physical money, as they see fit.
So Picard can still purchase a statue, but not have any "money."
And the piano player can still have a tip jar for cold hard cash.
And canon is holy writ.... right?
Risa is a Federation member - ST TNG episode, 'Let he who is without sin' aka Worf joins the Federation Taliban'
I a citizen of the UK in the 21st century never buys anything with cold cash, its debit cards all the way. And its still considered money.
When it comes to the idea of everyone showing up to Sisko's to eat just because it's free opens up the idea that just because anyone can do it and not worry about paying I think can be answered by simply saying that maybe it operates like a night club. You basically have a bouncer outside that stops people from coming in if the place is packed.
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Fine... when has a replicator, or any other sort of vendor - be it humanoid or machine - within the Federation ever asked for payment as a pre-requisite for service?
That brings up a good question...if people in the 24th century have neither money nor pockets, what the hell are they picking...?
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Ferengi.
Do you remember those 80's cartoons with the weird errors such as a character being written off the show, and then reappearing in the very next episode with no explanation? That explains Star Trek and money lol.
One moment everybody uses money, the other it completely disappears, and no one remembers.
Here are some choice quotes from the show;
Jake says he doesn't have any money, and he's stating it's because he's a human. This states that humans don't have, use or process money. Arlissa seems to be claiming that things are free on a federation planet.
From this you can only conclude that on earth, people just walk up to a replicator, order want they want, it appears and that is that. People work hard to run restaurants and give away the food, because they want to.
Waiters volunteer to serve food all day because it enriches them, they don't get paid. Some humans get into smuggling, illegal activities and stressed filled jobs because they're supposed to have jobs, not because they get paid for it.
It sounds crazy, but that's just the way it looks to some of us lol.
One moment everybody uses money, the other it completely disappears, and no one remembers.
Here are some choice quotes from the show;
Jake says he doesn't have any money, and he's stating it's because he's a human. This states that humans don't have, use or process money. Arlissa seems to be claiming that things are free on a federation planet.
From this you can only conclude that on earth, people just walk up to a replicator, order want they want, it appears and that is that. People work hard to run restaurants and give away the food, because they want to.
Waiters volunteer to serve food all day because it enriches them, they don't get paid. Some humans get into smuggling, illegal activities and stressed filled jobs because they're supposed to have jobs, not because they get paid for it.
It sounds crazy, but that's just the way it looks to some of us lol.
The Trouble With Tribbles
A move which Cyrano says is to spur the market. Give out a sample is a common sales tactic.
Jones was haggling a price for the tribble with the bartender. The price was in monetary units. How it this not money? Are you just going to be willfully ignorant of evidence seen right there on screen because of something Roddenberry would say twenty years later?
The same thing that happens now. There is a line and people get turned away. Reservations are made if you want a seat.
Hey, look, I am in your camp. I'm not buying the no money idea as much as I didn't buy that other idea that needs not mentioned.
But this argument is flawed. You all need to find a valid argument.
If ALL restaurants are free, then there is no problem. Nobody has money and nobody gets charged to eat at any restaurant. In Contrast people today have money and restaurants charge money. Balance. So, what happens when McDonald's charges $1 for drinks? Does McDonald's run out of drinks because everyone rushes there for drinks? No. People still go where they want. Price alone does not affect consumer demand. Prices are only part of economics.
The entire argument is that Sisko's would be swamped by customers because the food is free. That argument doesn't consider all restaurants are free. If someone can't get a seat at Sisko's, they will go down the street to Dwayne Pride's place or any of a hundred other places. It's all free, after all.
Now, the argument about freeloaders overloading the system has its place. But remember, home cooked food is free, too. The example of overloading the system is further back the chain. It's not Sisko's.
