Heavy CGI enhancement anyone?

[Raptor_Fawr]

Speaking about cars, we can have another excellent argument that gives strenght to my theory:

In the 60s they had carburetors, and when the new fuel injection technology came out everyone disliked it because "those are not real cars, those are just means of transport with no soul"

Then electronic controls came in and the cars with those were disliked because "real car pilots don't use electric controlled cars". In this era the 80s cars that were so hated before became the new standard. None cared about carburetors anymore at this point.

Then electric propelled cars came in in recent years, and now it's the same argument "electric cars have no souls" and now apparently electric controlled cars are ok as long as the electricity is not their engine fuel.

Probably in 50 years there will be no more internal combustion engines in our cars, mainly because pollution will increase and governments will ban gasoline injection systems. You may not like it, but it's very likely.

Would a man from the 60s be able to determine this trend? I guess no, he couldn't. Especially if from the US that at the time had their own standards and their economy was not global nor suffering.

 

[Raptor_Fawr]

They’re ugly from a design point of view. The TMP E is different from the TOS E, but it still works. The JJ and Discoprise are horribly ungainly and with terrible visual balance.

The TNG E looked okay from some angles and visually ungainly in others.

There are a lot of new things that look better than before—not everything old is gold. But not everything new is automatically gold either.

Enterprise D is uglier than the TOS Enterprise by design, agreed. The 80s aesthetic didn't get curves as right as the 60s and you can see it in many other design fields not only starship design.

But to me the differences between TOS ent and discoent are negligible, it's mostly the ship color (that in Kirk era could have changed from grey to white, it's just a repaint) and the nacelles.

You can argue that the booty tail is different too, but actually it's just more in line with the other federation ships from late TOS and late TNG era. It's a small detail and I agree they could have not changed that, but here we are.

TL;DR TOS enterprise and TMP enterprise have the same amount of difference from the DSC enterprise: they changed the nacelles and the ship colour

 

[Warped9]

The average man might not be able to conceive something of the future, but an informed engineer or scientist might.

Many technological ideas are not new, but require time and more advanced engineering to make workable. Fuel injection goes back to the 1920s, but we didn’t see it mass market until the 1970s-80s. Television was conceived in the 1920s, but mass market came thirty years later.

Today’s touchscreen devices are common, but the idea goes back decades.

Also terminology can change. A tablet once referred to a pad of writing paper. Now it refers to an electronic device. People still refer to a desktop tower as a “real” computer when we are actually surrounded by computers of different kinds—we just give them different names to specify what we’re talking about.

In TOS as well 1950s-60s sci-fi they would reference a supercomputer, but today we would call it an A.I.

 

[Raptor_Fawr]

The average man might not be able to conceive something of the future, but an informed engineer or scientist might.

Many technological ideas are not new, but require time and more advanced engineering to make workable. Fuel injection goes back to the 1920s, but we didn’t see it mass market until the 1970s-80s. Television was conceived in the 1920s, but mass market came thirty years later.

Today’s touchscreen devices are common, but the idea goes back decades.

Also terminology can change. A tablet once referred to a pad of writing paper. Now it refers to an electronic device. People still refer to a desktop tower as a “real” computer when we are actually surrounded by computers of different kinds—we just give them different names to specify what we’re talking about.

In TOS as well 1950s-60s sci-fi they would reference a supercomputer, but today we would call it an A.I.

I can agree on that, to an extent. I am more concerned on the tehnology look rather than the technology itself. For instance a television is a television, but a 1920 television is probably a big box with a square piece of rounded glass in front, while a 2020 television is a very slim plastic rectangle with a semi-translucent side.

A 1960 virtual reality headset is still a virtual reality headset, but it consisted in wired tubes connected to a computer as big as a room and operated by multiple people, a 2020 vr headset is a plastic (or cardboard) box that is worn like some strange big glasses and needs little to no wiring system.

The technology seen in TNG can be still seen as futuristic by many, the TOS technology not so much.

As for spaceship design, I think that the discoprise fits nicely I can't understand why you hate it so much. I can understand why you hate the JJ version because I don't like it much too, but the discovery version is just different from the TOS version to the same degree the TMP version is

 

[Raptor_Fawr]

God, Star Trek even jokes about itself when it comes to this

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In this episode they could have just reused the TOS enterprise bridge set and it would still have worked the same way

 

[Warped9]

The TMP E and TMP Klingon battle cruiser along with the Klingon BoP of TSFS brought the industrial look to Star Trek. Although it has an interesting lighting/reflective effect I really don't care much for the aztec-king on the TMP E to make it look like hull plating. It looks rather backwards to me rather than highly advanced. The TOS Klingon and Romulan ships were designed much like the TOS E with smooth exteriors, but the film and later television production staff chose to go with the industrial touch to look more accessibly "hardware." But one could argue the TMP E did go for a more subtle look rather than what came later which was much more obvious.

The Discoprise looks like a descendent of the NX-01, and they are both industrial looking designs. In extent the NX-01 does not look like a predecessor to the TOS E. And yet, while I can criticize it, I do see how the TNG E can be evolved from the TOS E. That said all subsequent E's after that got progressively uglier.

Probert's original design for the 1701-C should have been used for the D as it looks sooo much better. The onscreen 1701-C looks really clunky. The 1701-E is just yuch.

 

[Raptor_Fawr]

The TMP E and TMP Klingon battle cruiser along with the Klingon BoP of TSFS brought the industrial look to Star Trek. Although it has an interesting lighting/reflective effect I really don't care much for the aztec-king on the TMP E to make it look like hull plating. It looks rather backwards to me rather than highly advanced. The TOS Klingon and Romulan ships were designed much like the TOS E with smooth exteriors, but the film and later television production staff chose to go with the industrial touch to look more accessibly "hardware." But one could argue the TMP E did go for a more subtle look rather than what came later which was much more obvious.

The Discoprise looks like a descendent of the NX-01, and they are both industrial looking designs. In extent the NX-01 does not look like a predecessor to the TOS E. And yet, while I can criticize it, I do see how the TNG E can be evolved from the TOS E. That said all subsequent E's after that got progressively uglier.

Probert's original design for the 1701-C should have been used for the D as it looks sooo much better. The onscreen 1701-C looks really clunky. The 1701-E is just yuch.

I agree that the C design looks nicer than the D, but to me my all time favourites are the A (generally the TOS movies one) and the E (so again from the movies). I hope that if they want to show the enterprise on PIC they either choose the original E or that they rebrand it to F if they want to change the ship design.

 

[johnnybear]

The original Enterprise is still the best Trek star ship for me and the D looks cartoonish with it's odd bendy curves compared to the earlier sleek smooth versions! Even the Voyager seems a better descendent!
JB

 

[Raptor_Fawr]

The original Enterprise is still the best Trek star ship for me and the D looks cartoonish with it's odd bendy curves compared to the earlier sleek smooth versions! Even the Voyager seems a better descendent!
JB

Voyager looks cool but no neck

 

[Mytran]

This is a good comment that could be used to express what I meant earlier: if we compare the two IRL systems we can see that the Boeing oldschool panel is full of buttons

while the SpaceX one has little to no buttons because the main interface is the touchscreen

Guess which is the closest to TOS enterprise navigation console?

The TOS enterprise should either have more buttons or more touch screens, either way I don't think that what we see here is enough to fully control the 3D kind of movement that a spaceship should be capable of

Those are good comparisons of modern tech.
Regarding TOS, is there any reason why those large blank sections in front of Mitchell and Kelso can't also be display areas, AKA "smart" tabletops? Otherwise Mitchell has just 13 fixed-function buttons (plus a few lights) to control all those ship functions and an enormous amount of space is devoted to what's little more than an elbow rest!
Simply by virtue of all the different tasks that Helm and Navigation perform, there HAS to be more tech beneath the surface than what a 1960s TV show depicted on screen

 

[XCV330]

The original Enterprise is still the best Trek star ship for me and the D looks cartoonish with it's odd bendy curves compared to the earlier sleek smooth versions! Even the Voyager seems a better descendent!
JB

 

[Maurice]

Nah, the D owes more to the late great Luigi Colani. Link.

 

[Raptor_Fawr]

I'd argue that the Nissan Z could be a better comparison

NCC 1701

NCC 1701 D

 

[BillJ]

I'm a fan of the Enterprise-D. It truly gave us something unique while being true to Matt Jefferies vision.

They’re ugly from a design point of view. The TMP E is different from the TOS E, but it still works. The JJ and Discoprise are horribly ungainly and with terrible visual balance.

The Discovery-version is just the refit with some difference in detailing.

 

[Henoch]

Regarding TOS, is there any reason why those large blank sections in front of Mitchell and Kelso can't also be display areas, AKA "smart" tabletops? Otherwise Mitchell has just 13 fixed-function buttons (plus a few lights) to control all those ship functions and an enormous amount of space is devoted to what's little more than an elbow rest!
Simply by virtue of all the different tasks that Helm and Navigation perform, there HAS to be more tech beneath the surface than what a 1960s TV show depicted on screen

Each button is an execution subroutine, like "engage warp drive" or "fire phasers". All the subroutines are probably compiled and transferred from the other bridge stations who get their detailed information (like course and speed or targeting and power level) from teams of staff sitting in other areas of the ship. You have to know how things work on a starship.

 

[Maurice]

I reiterate: Colani.

 

[Mytran]

Each button is an execution subroutine, like "engage warp drive" or "fire phasers". All the subroutines are probably compiled and transferred from the other bridge stations who get their detailed information (like course and speed or targeting and power level) from teams of staff sitting in other areas of the ship. You have to know how things work on a starship.

You've simultaneously justified the large amount of crew on board whilst making the job of navigation officer suddenly very boring!

 

[Warped9]

They say the devil is in the details and I can say that the Discoprise looks clunky and industrial. It’s almost like Trek birthed by Star Wars.

 

[Dale Sams]

They say the devil is in the details and I can say that the Discoprise looks clunky and industrial. It’s almost like Trek birthed by Star Wars.

"They say there's no devil....but I've seen it! Straight out of hell I've seen it!!"

 

[Poltargyst]

The original Enterprise is still the best Trek star ship for me and the D looks cartoonish with it's odd bendy curves compared to the earlier sleek smooth versions! Even the Voyager seems a better descendent!
JB

I like the look of Voyager. Ent D's saucer section is too big making it top heavy, and like you say it's too curvy.