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Heather Kadin Exits Secret Hideout After 12-Year Collaboration With Alex Kurtzman
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So, for the sake of argument, say the Kurtzman Era of Trek goes down and The Fandom Menace gets their jollies. Then what?
It's not as if they'll like the next person who'd run Star Trek. Once you turn your back on any new Trek so completely, there's no going back from that.
And Major Grin would lose money and hits if he ever said he liked whatever Star Trek was currently in production.
It's not as if they'll like the next person who'd run Star Trek. Once you turn your back on any new Trek so completely, there's no going back from that.
And Major Grin would lose money and hits if he ever said he liked whatever Star Trek was currently in production.
I absolutely do not trust a YouTube video with the phrase "STD" and "KlingonOrcs" to give me an accurate context.
Yes, I recognized the allegory between T'Kuvma and Donald Trump the instant I saw "The Vulcan Hello" four years ago. It was an excellent creative decision that I highly approve of, but this is old news and not really related to Kadin's exit from Secret Hideout.
Showing individual klingons as different occasionally doesn't really change the fact that the species as a whole was almost always one of the the go to bad guys, the very first appearance of klingons in TNG that aren't Worf uses them as vaillains. And from there they found a way to portray them as villains or not trustworthy despite the alliance all the time, that says a lot about how the klingons were viewed by production.
Agreed that 12 years is very impressive in this era. I've had three jobs... first one was just under 7 years, left that one for another where I was in for 7 and a half years (routes got cut, which is why I lost that one), and my most recent one I was with for 9 years and 7 months. I understand and respect longevity.
To be honest, an 'executive producer' in a tv show these days doesn't mean as much as it did 20 or 30 years ago. Too many people are called that now to really mean anything. During the Berman era, you would see at most 3 people with that title... and that is including Berman himself. TNG had Roddenberry until his death, Berman and Piller for several seasons, then Berman/Piller/Taylor for the last season. DS9 only had two each season: Berman and Piller for seasons 1, 2, and most of 3 and Berman/Behr for the rest. VGR had Berman/Piller/Taylor for seasons 1 and 2, Beman/Taylor for 3 and 4, Berman/Braga for 5 and 6, and Berman/Biller for season 7. ENT had Berman/Braga for seasons 1-3, then Berman/Braga/Coto for season 4. (Mind you, this is going by what is shown on the screen during the episode and title sequence.)
Back then, there may be 1 or 2 'Co-Executive Producer' titles in addition to the 'Executive', but now it seems like there's a dozen full-on executives per show. (Just look at the title sequence for DISCOVERY.) And it's not just STAR TREK series that I've seen this.
I wish her luck.
Don't equate GeneralGrin with the Fandom Menace. He gets beat on every time because of how much he likes Lower Decks. And he doesn't make hardly any money because of all the copyright strikes on his channel.
He has videos showing how some things are good and match previous canon or make sense for example
Probably because it reminds him of the Berman Era. Either way, okay, I misread him.
But what I say about The Fandom Menace in general still stands.
I'm an old fan of his for over a decade now, but it's weird, because I'm a die-hard Discovery fan as well. He constantly makes references to the good things New Trek has done, amidst his criticisms, and is constantly being belittled for it in the YouTube comments by much worse haters. The right wing tilt he has shown in recent years is a bit disturbing, but I chalk much of it up to cultural differences between Israel and the US, and a love for TNG (which I share) and disgusting, trollish humor (which I also share). But, like RLM, much of it is playing to his audience and not completely how he really feels.
Except for half the individual Klingons we meet. Worf, Martok especially.
It's pretty clear that she was speaking very broadly, and the pop culture zeitgeist image of the Klingons has always been as Star Trek's traditional bad guys (even when that image wasn't always accurate to the actual show). It's a perfectly reasonable condensed generalization to use in a short soundbite aimed at a general audience.
And that is a level of detail that is unnecessary and inappropriate for a short soundbite directed at a general audience to tease a storyline about a variation on a traditional "Klingons-as-bad-guys" paradigm.
I suspect that is unlikely. Both LD S2 and DIS S4 were being written last year, and Kadin is only just now exiting. She's listed as an executive producer on both.
That’s right. LD S2 was already being recorded by October last year, had been written well before that, and Discovery was filming again by November, and Kadin is only leaving Secret Hideout and Star Trek now.
The lead time from conceiving a story to airing for these series is more than a year, so any change in the seasons having just aired/airing now isn’t due to people leaving presently.
Just because she was still employed doesn't mean she was still doing her job. She might already even have her new job lined up and they were just waiting for the right time. I believe they already filled her job so maybe that was in play as well before announcing it. Of course the funniest thing would be if RIck Berman was still in charge and we didn't know it. That would be a mind blowing reveal.
And just because she's a producer does not mean she had input into the creative/story decisions on the shows, meaning any change in quality the shows may have had has nothing to do with her departure.
That was more or less the point of the first season, which they brought full circle with the visit to the mirror universe. Nationalism was the real enemy.
