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News He-Man anime series from Kevin Smith coming to Netflix

I think the issue with lots of the fans other them wanting the show be just like it was in the 80s is He-Man might be a important in the show but he isn't the protagonist and series lead. The story is about from what I understand He-Man means to her. The series is from her point of view. It's not exactly a bad storytelling device but of course if He-Man is your favorite character then I guess you might want him to have the bigger role in the story. You might want him to be the one having the hero's journey. I guess it might also depend on just how much you care about the Teela character as well.
 
I'm seeing some definite warm looks and touches between them. They read like girlfriends to me. And why not?

Hey, I'm not trying to stifle anybody's shipping here. If you want to ship those two, be my guest. I'm just citing Kevin Smith's response to ClownshipTV presenting it as fact instead of subtext.
Look, Picard and Data also share some warm looks and a few suggestive words over the course of TNG/movies/PIC, and there are people who do ship those two, as they are welcome to. But people claiming to be entertainment journalists would still need something more substantial than that if they were to say Data was Picard's boyfriend in the next season.

Oh, it's obviously a sequel, but it's a sequel that's rewriting some of the continuity to fit its own narrative, which is something that many sequels have done. (E.g. in the Universal Frankenstein films, Frankenstein's lab was a tower in the hills in the first movie, a building on the Castle Frankenstein grounds in the second, and inside the castle itself in the third.)

And hey, it wouldn't be the first time. The New Adventures of He-Man in 1990 was presented as a sequel, but it made changes to the continuity and characters as well.

Technically, New Adventures is counted as its own universe in the MotU-Multiverse, as well, which I'll take as a good excuse to post another Spector Creative video:
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@Kai "the spy" - you seriously gonna make me dig through tweets and youtube videos, just to win an Internet argument? I have better things to do, man.

I'm not trying to win an argument, I'm honestly asking. Because, like I said, even though I watch a lot of Kev's videos, there's still a ton that I don't even notice he does on other shows and podcasts, and even with the stuff I did see, those videos are usually so long it'd be easy for something to slip by me (wouldn't be the first time it happened). But there are also people out there who appear to have made it an industry to call Kev a lyer who ruined their childhood (seriously, I blocked all those channels yesterday, but YouTube still wants me to watch similarly titled videos today), people who use screenshots from unrelated videos to show him crying (for being guilty, I guess?) to promote their videos, so if there is a claim from an honest actor like yourself, I was just looking to verify that.
 
I wouldn't worry about the Youtubers. Their kind of like the Twitter fools and they will get bored soon enough and move onto something new to complain about. Thankfully we have evolved here on the Trekbbs from endless complaining about stuff.:whistle:
 
Look, Picard and Data also share some warm looks and a few suggestive words over the course of TNG/movies/PIC, and there are people who do ship those two, as they are welcome to.

Oh, come on, that's just insulting. There's an obvious difference between that kind of platonic comradeship and the kind of physical closeness and emotional subtext I saw here. I'm not a "shipper" eager to read into things. I don't have any particularly strong feelings about MOTU one way or the other. I'm just describing the casual impression I got, and it is a completely different impression than anything I ever saw between Picard and Data.


Technically, New Adventures is counted as its own universe in the MotU-Multiverse, as well, which I'll take as a good excuse to post another Spector Creative video:

I am so sick of modern fandom's need to force every variant interpretation of fiction into a "multiverse" model. Stories aren't universes, they're narratives. Each story has its own narrative, and presenting a story as a sequel to an earlier story is a narrative device. Narratively, structurally, Revelation is absolutely a sequel. It's not a story that can stand on its own, but one that relies entirely on reference to a past work of fiction and its characters and continuity, and that presents itself as a continuation of the original series's (approximate) status quo. It functions as a sequel while being a reinterpretation in some ways, which is true of many sequels, as I said. For instance, Young Frankenstein is functionally a sequel to the Universal Frankenstein movies while also being a reinterpretation. The 1988 Starman TV series is functionally a sequel to the movie of the same name, but it modifies the events of the movie to push them back in time so that the title character could have a teenage son in the present. Similarly, the Alien Nation and Stargate SG-1 TV series are presented as direct sequels to their source movies, referencing their characters and events directly, using their footage, and continuing the stories beyond them, while modifying a few details of the movie continuities to fit the needs of the series.

Indeed, it's not unusual for a franchise to include multiple incompatible continuities that all present themselves as sequels to the same original work. For instance, the Godzilla movies released between 1955 and 2005 occupy seven distinct continuities, but all seven are sequels to the original 1954 film, counting it as part of their backstory but differing from each other (and sometimes reintepreting or retconning elements of the original). Knight Rider has had a revival movie (Knight Rider 2000) and two revival series (Team Knight Rider and the 2008 series) that all presented themselves as sequels to the original show while ignoring and contradicting each other. Get Smart has had three incompatible sequels: the feature film The Nude Bomb, the TV reunion movie Get Smart Again!, and the 1995 sequel series. And so on.

In short, what makes something a sequel is not a perfectly consistent continuity. Very few fictional franchises have perfect continuity, so it's an unrealistic standard. What makes something a sequel is that it's narratively dependent on something previous, that it's presented as a continuation of a past story, or a version of that past story. And that is very, very blatantly the case here.
 
I'm not trying to win an argument, I'm honestly asking. Because, like I said, even though I watch a lot of Kev's videos, there's still a ton that I don't even notice he does on other shows and podcasts, and even with the stuff I did see, those videos are usually so long it'd be easy for something to slip by me (wouldn't be the first time it happened). But there are also people out there who appear to have made it an industry to call Kev a lyer who ruined their childhood (seriously, I blocked all those channels yesterday, but YouTube still wants me to watch similarly titled videos today), people who use screenshots from unrelated videos to show him crying (for being guilty, I guess?) to promote their videos, so if there is a claim from an honest actor like yourself, I was just looking to verify that.
There's a video of him talking about how he (raised Catholic) got his morals not from the Bible, but from shows like Batman (1966) and He-Man. An official promotional video from Netflix, IIRC. There's also a video from some convention panel where he says that for him, MOTU has been right up there with DC and Marvel. Both vids should be pretty easy to find on YouTube.

Still, Kevin has been in tons of videos over the years, it'd be next to impossible to track down everything.
 
Though I don't think everyone who says that Smith's lack of transparency is the real reason they are upset, I do think Smith in particular, with him being the face of MOTU: R, could've been more upfront about Teela's role, but also ask people to withhold judgment until both parts are out there. I've seen actors fib before about things in order not to spoil a storyline or twist and I haven't seen people get too upset with them about that, and that's how I see what Smith did here for the most part. He just ran into a buzz saw that exists now for almost everything in pop culture.

And a good deal of this is self-inflicted because they kept talking about doing this for the old fans, so they can't use the excuse that it's not for 'old' fans, it's to get new fans or to broaden the fanbase.

I'm not a MOTU:R defender necessarily. It had some decent aspects, it had some stuff I didn't care for as well. It's not the story I necessarily wanted to see, though I didn't ask to see more MOTU either.
 
I think he said he liked the toys better than the show but really does it matter how much he liked the show? I'm sure actors and directors make little lies like this all the time. I'm sure if you asked SMG what she rather be doing for example it wouldn't be doing the voice of Teela. Probably would rather be doing a big movie opposite Brad Pitt or something that will also win a Oscar. I think Smith tends to be more honest than most but even he plays the game a little bit I'm sure.
 
Oh, come on, that's just insulting. There's an obvious difference between that kind of platonic comradeship and the kind of physical closeness and emotional subtext I saw here. I'm not a "shipper" eager to read into things. I don't have any particularly strong feelings about MOTU one way or the other. I'm just describing the casual impression I got, and it is a completely different impression than anything I ever saw between Picard and Data.

It's insulting to mention your own reading of subtext between two characters in the same context as a valid subgroup of fandom?

There's a video of him talking about how he (raised Catholic) got his morals not from the Bible, but from shows like Batman (1966) and He-Man. An official promotional video from Netflix, IIRC. There's also a video from some convention panel where he says that for him, MOTU has been right up there with DC and Marvel. Both vids should be pretty easy to find on YouTube.

Still, Kevin has been in tons of videos over the years, it'd be next to impossible to track down everything.

Well, found one of those videos, but I still don't see how it supports those claims. He says he watched it as an 11-year old, and that it was one of the shows (of which he's mentioned a great many in the past) that taught him his morals. He does not say he was an uber-fan or something.
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Haven't found the convention video, yet (and it's getting late, so if I look it up, it'll have to wait till tomorrow), but even so, that phrase "up there with DC and Marvel" can mean quite a few things, like in general pop culture (which, being a kid of the 80s, would be a non-brainer), or he could mean now that he's worked on it and got deeper into the lore, his personal affection for it has grown so it's now up there with DC and Marvel to him personally. This isn't exactly a cut-and-dry matter, there's things he says and things people read into what he says, and those often but not always align.
Like, I would consider myself a MotU fan. But I haven't seen all the episodes, I didn't have all the toys, I didn't read each and every comic, and that Spector Creative channel keeps showing me how little I know about the lore. But that doesn't mean I'm not a fan. And the same goes for Kev. There's just different levels of fandom.

Edit: And anyway, what has all that to do with the claim that Kevin said the show wasn't Teela-centric?
 
The 80s show was terrible. I was a teenager and I could tell even then that it was drivel. Characterisation was appallingly childish. Teela and Adam had a strong boys vs girls vibe going on. Skeletor and even his more intelligent underlings were incompetent buffoons. I can recall several episode where He-Man rocked up to Snake Mountain and didn't even break a sweat before smashing the place up and going home.

But it was great advertising for the toys. Its stories had a very strong good vs evil component and making good undefeatable sent a clear message to children.

Narratively the 2002 show and Revelations are far superior as works of fiction.
 
Of course that would happen. It makes good clickbait and that's the name of the whole game when making money off the internet.
 
One other factor is that, despite being quite good as a work of fiction, the 2002 show was cancelled mid-season because it wasn't selling enough toys and didn't have great ratings. Maybe this Teela controversy is deliberately being manufactured to drum up publicity? ;-p
 
Maybe this Teela controversy is deliberately being manufactured to drum up publicity? ;-p
I am truly convinced that no sane person would have ever really thought that Teela affair would be a "controversy". Mind you, I'm not saying that if they had the chance they wouldn't have done it. But people who work in the entertainment industry are usually functional human beings. So even for them it would have been hard to imagine that so many people would claim that they were irremediably traumatized because a female character from a toy commercial that aired 40 years ago had more screentime than a shirtless blond male Aryan.
 
I am truly convinced that no sane person would have ever really thought that Teela affair would be a "controversy". Mind you, I'm not saying that if they had the chance they wouldn't have done it. But people who work in the entertainment industry are usually functional human beings. So even for them it would have been hard to imagine that so many people would claim that they were irremediably traumatized because a female character from a toy commercial that aired 40 years ago had more screentime than a shirtless blond male Aryan.

Ha ha. Quite. And just what do all those lycra-clad Masters do together after Teela, the only woman among them, goes to bed? Either lament how the gods had cursed Eternia with 10 men for every woman or, you know, just get on with it?

Most likely they said, "Teela's back story has never been properly explored, let's given her the spotlight", and then they thought about what to do with He-Man to achieve that. Similarly, I suspect Andra was brought on board because there are only 4 women in the whole franchise and no (human) people of colour among the recurring cast. They have more people with purple skin than brown skin.
 
Tela said "decades".

So she's 40 or 50 minimum.

Etetnian life spans.

Immortality brings on a subdued sex drive and lower birth rate, meanwhile what if it took 3 and a half thousand years for a baby to learn how to walk?

Only morons are going to sign up for that shit.

Teela can't be gay, not that there's anything wrong with that, because unless abortion is very legal or there's a pit where you can toss your baby when you get bored, after two hundred years of breastfeeding, no one is #ucking, and only the brain dead are courting sexual interest.

Who you masturbate to determines orientation even if you're a gold star virgin.

Did I just stumble on Skeletors origin?

Did he survive his own abortion?
 
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Yup. Though isn't Part 2 more or less finished? At the very least totally scripted and recorded.

According to Kevin Smith on the latest "Fatman Beyond" (Called He-Man Beyond, and hosted by Kevin and the voice of Orko), streamed live yesterday, the second half is basically done. All of the episode visuals are locked, the orchestral music recording was just finished for the last episode of the season (episode 10) and episode 8 has finished its sound editing. So basically they just need to finish sound editing for episodes 9 and 10 and that will be that (although obviously Netflix has some kind of schedule for the show). So, anything story and even animation wise for the second half of the show was done before the first half even released.

Also, Kevin said that the small (but loud) minority of people complaining about the show are literally meaningless to the people over him in charge. As he was apparently told, even 5-10 thousand complaints by obnoxious fans doesn't mean anything compared to the number of Netflix subscribers or even just the number of people who watched/will watch the show, and the review bombing is not going to effect anything.

Unrelated, but during the episode Smith also heavily implied that we could be getting more then one season of this show, which I really hope is true because I've enjoyed it so much so far. He also made fun of people who seem to think that

Death in a show like this is automatically permanent, and he gives some (very obvious) hints about things that most rational people would have guessed about certain "dead" characters and the second half of the season.
 
I am truly convinced that no sane person would have ever really thought that Teela affair would be a "controversy". Mind you, I'm not saying that if they had the chance they wouldn't have done it. But people who work in the entertainment industry are usually functional human beings. So even for them it would have been hard to imagine that so many people would claim that they were irremediably traumatized because a female character from a toy commercial that aired 40 years ago had more screentime than a shirtless blond male Aryan.
Then they should spend more time on the internet because the reaction is beyond predictable. Nostalgia can be lucrative but it's easy to get burned by it as well. Not everyone can pull it off like in shows The Mandalorian ,Stranger Things and The Orville.
 
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