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HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams

JirinPanthosa said:
There’s 1000 possible explanations but “These are normal people in the real world who coincidentally look just like hosts” is not one of them.

This isn’t Picard, actors don’t get reused just for the f*** of it.

And actually having a cut on her arm means they are not hallucinations.

And remember Bernard ended last season going into the simulation and did not appear yet.
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I refer you to this interview with the showrunner about re-casting Wood for the entirely new character - it sounds like basically "We liked the actress so why not". I don't buy it completely but sure as hell Dolores seems to be really dead and Wood's character is probably still connected to the previous 3 seasons somehow.

As season starters go this was par for the course - i am completely confused with a million questions and none of them were answered. Curious how this continues.
 
  • William (the human) deepfreezed at the mercy of Halores. Fun duel, currently with advantage Halores.
  • Will William (the host) attack Halores in a power grab move though - maybe because of William (the human)?!
  • William (the host) continues to be a joy in his scenes.
  • Yay Tessa Thompson is back, too bad it's with the Halores version and not just the "Hale host" she was prior.
  • Yay, Gangster/Mob-World.
  • Maeve did the rolleyes things (many viewers probably did too) and said the witty things :lol: my MVP :adore:
  • damn, her "stop all motor functions" doesn't work as well anymore...
  • Caleb (still is a host and doesn't know it)
  • the fly-nanobots that can (partially) take over humans > Can we call them Flybrids instead of Hybrids ;)
  • peaceful village "Clementine" (flowers + vase = loop) was probably reprogrammed by William/Halores and is just a hilarious badass "secretary-witty-murder weapon". "Not so secret service" :lol:
  • Christina is a (pure) Dolores (without the evil parts), in some time loop and some host/human city/park.
  • Her Roomie and Boss are hosts-control mechanisms.
  • Still missing Stubs and Bernard :sigh:
 
That Dolores is dead. The physical parameters of her body are not. If this character looks exactly the same but for no in story reason it’d be a huge immersion killer. It’d significantly reduce my opinion of the show.

I’m not liking this season so far. Charlores has basically turned into a Bond villain. She’s gotten cringy and boring.

Maybe it’ll get more interesting again when Bernard finally shows up.
 
About ep2

How sure are we human William is human? How do we know she did not make one William with a copy of herself and one William with the William data? That could be the same William we saw at the end of season 2, being existentially tortured in a loop of reliving his past and discovering what he is.

Anyway I really hope the identical appearance has an actual story reason. A show that has thus far presented as hard sci-fi doesn’t have the same leeway as a more pulpy show like Star Trek with 4th wall hijinks.
 
^ What I got out of the episode is Charlores has "real" human William on ice in the cryo chamber, notWilliam host created by Charlores (from William's brain scans) running William's empire for her own agenda and, hostMIB off hunting down hosts that have integrated into the world at large.
 
I enjoyed the first two episodes. Sure the nudity is gone but it’s still enjoyable. :)
They have seemed to have simplified the story a bit which I think will be beneficial. The previous seasons tried to be a bit too cerebral for its own good.
 
JirinPanthosa said:
About ep2

How sure are we human William is human? How do we know she did not make one William with a copy of herself and one William with the William data? That could be the same William we saw at the end of season 2, being existentially tortured in a loop of reliving his past and discovering what he is.

Anyway I really hope the identical appearance has an actual story reason. A show that has thus far presented as hard sci-fi doesn’t have the same leeway as a more pulpy show like Star Trek with 4th wall hijinks.
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I’m hoping he is the human version. It would make what happened in season 3 better if he was still alive.
 
Certainly explains how the robot version seems to know everything about him. They’re plugged into his mind
 

  • [*]Yay Bernard and Stubs are back.
    [*]Yay for the "Ghost Nation native leader" cameo as a "Sublime/great beyond" welcome service?!

    [*]Mob/Gangster-Westworld world was hilarious with so many call backs - also the secret level/game within the park was fun, but telegraphed by some of the (regular) park/bar guests.
    [*](host) William MIB has multiple host versions active at the same time

    [*]the lady picking up Bernard and Stubs is - Caleb's daughter Frankie all grown up I think

    [*]Until Caleb getting NOT shot in the fake "park sub level" I assumed Caleb was already an (unknowing) host since the end of season 3, he is much more likely to be a Flycontrolled human "host" after the creepy ass face opening scene now however.
 
1987SpaceGuy said:

  • [*]Yay Bernard and Stubs are back.
    [*]Yay for the "Ghost Nation native leader" cameo as a "Sublime/great beyond" welcome service?!

    [*]Mob/Gangster-Westworld world was hilarious with so many call backs - also the secret level/game within the park was fun, but telegraphed by some of the (regular) park/bar guests.
    [*](host) William MIB has multiple host versions active at the same time

    [*]the lady picking up Bernard and Stubs is - Caleb's daughter Frankie all grown up I think

    [*]Until Caleb getting NOT shot in the fake "park sub level" I assumed Caleb was already an (unknowing) host since the end of season 3, he is much more likely to be a Flycontrolled human "host" after the creepy ass face opening scene now however.
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So you’re guessing the Bernard starry is actually 20+ years into the future rather than 7? Interesting
 
I don't do flow charts, reddits or rewatches so far for Westworld, thus my (narrator) mind might be just as jumbled as Bernard's during prior seasons ;)

I just think there is too many coincidences, but maybe I'm wrong or they are red herrings. :shrug:


  • Caleb teaching his daughter Frankie and his partner "survival skills" in past episodes
  • Kid Frankie radioing/searching for Caleb
  • Kid Frankie and her Mom almost getting kidnappend by the host, but running away into the night.
  • meanwhile Halores controlled Kid-Frankie-host luring/capturing Caleb (and Maeve) Bernard and Stubs teaming up with the "human desert rebels" - driven there by Future Frankie?
  • Frankie's haircut/style as a kid vs the potential Future Frankie-one
 
I don't personally think there's any evidence supporting the big theories that I've seen floating around the fandom (Christina existing in a simulation, C being Frankie, and the Bernard/Stubbs story taking place in a different time period than the Maeve/Caleb/MiB/Charlores storyline), but we'll see what unfolds.
 
Stubbs and Bernard are definitely in the future and the woman they met is blatantly an older Frankie (unless they made it so obvious that the twist is that's not what's happening...but it is what's happening.)
 
Westworld finally pulled a Westworld. I didn't see it coming because I wasn't looking for it to happen.
 
So I'm thinking

Not!Delores is in between the flashbacks and the 'present'. She's working on the prototypes of the future narrative. Hence the smaller towers and many of them, while New York in the future seems to be controlled by a single giant one
 
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