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HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams

Season 3 lost the plot. I loved the stuff set in Westworld too, and I do think that they needed to explore the different worlds, but I feel anytime they left Westworld, it became less interesting aside from the short visit to the Japanese world. Futureworld just wasn't very well conceived and wasn't very interesting. I don't know if I really care enough for a 4th season, as it all felt like a definite end by the end of the season.
 
Wait are we assuming that the world that Dolores basically destroyed is still inside the park, and there is still a real world out there?
 
Starkers said:
Frankly if its all planned out that makes it worse. I can forgive Lost because they never quite knew how long they had left to tell the story.
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Well, to be fair, they knew their end date going into season 4. LOST set the mold with that set-up.

Starkers said:
Maybe it's just the world, I loved the cowboy aesthetic of the first season and parts of the second, but the third just spent too much time in the real world which was just another generic future America which wasn't that interesting.
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Yeah, as much as I enjoyed season 3, it was very generic future world.

Starkers said:
Plus maybe I'm just all 'robots are people too''d out :lol:
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That's definitely fair. There's definitely been a lot of that as of late and it's not going anyway anytime soon. :lol:
 
Yeah, I don't believe it was a park I fully believe it was the outside world, but I'm well past the point of trusting anything the writer of a film or TV show says about the truth of the mysteries behind a tv show or movie until long after its released. Everyone lies to preserve the story if lying is necessary.
 
I enjoyed season 3. It wasn't as special and unique as season 1, but it was a plausible near future dystopia which made a cool analogy between the loops the hosts were on and humans being put on 'Loops'. And a plausible near future application of AI.

It was less cool, but maybe said more about the real world. Maybe that's why it feels disappointing to people, they went from something different and stylized to Black Mirror futurism.
 
I liked the third season fine. It'll never be the first season again, which was amazing, but it's still the best sf show on TV by a thousand miles.
 
I decided to go ahead and start a rewatch despite us not having a concrete return date for the series, and there's something about the premiere that I was struggling to make sense of in light of future information.

We know that Stubbs is a Host, and can therefore infer that he had a role in Ford's plan to facilitate the other Hosts' Awakening, but his behavior and actions in the premiere don't really seem to logically fit into that plan even though they should given that his primary interactions of significance are with two other Hosts who end up being key figures in said plan: Bernard and Dolores.

Him (Stubbs) being the one to question Dolores doesn't really make sense unless Ford was trying to guage whether or not she was starting to remember the things that he wanted her to remember, but he (Ford) wouldn't have known to specifically test for that until after the diagnostic conversation he had with Peter Abernathy, which told him that the Reverie code was both active and working the way he (Ford) was hoping it would.

His taking Bernard down to Sublevel 83 doesn't really fit into any of Ford's scheming either because there's nothing that Ford says in his conversation with Bernard that is of any real significance in terms of the role Ford ultimately wants Bernard to play.
 
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It’s not clear at what point in writing
they decided Stubbs was a host. He didn’t do anything that necessitated he was until he cleared Charlores. They might have just decided they wanted to keep the actor when they were deciding how to end season 2. He wasn’t part of Ford’s season 1 plan, he was more a failsafe. And You can rationalize his actions by just saying, Ford needed to be absolutely sure no suspicion was ever cast on him, so he was programmed not to know what he was until a condition was triggered.
 
JirinPanthosa said:
Stubbswasn’t part of Ford’s season 1 plan, [/spoiler]
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I would disagree with that, because almost everything that Stubbs does in Season 1 dovetails with the machinations Ford was orchestrating far too neatly to just be coincidental. A couple of big examples:
* Giving the order to pull Maeve from her role as Madame facilitates the implementation and start of Ford's 'Escape' narrative for her

* Not immediately pulling Dolores (or sending someone to get her) when she goes off her loop in the present keeps her heading towards Escalante and the awakening Ford wants her to achieve

* Going along with Teresa and Charlotte's plan to use Clementine as a scapegoat - which Ford was pretty clearly aware of - feeds into the expansion of Maeve's 'Escape' narrative

* Going after Else's datapad signal takes him away from the Control Room before the climax of Maeve's 'Escape' narrative starts so that he won't face a conflict between stopping her actions and fulfilling his core drives

He clearly isn't aware that Bernard is a Host during Season 1, but he wouldn't need to be in order to do what he does in facilitating parts of Ford's machinations.
 
I’ll have to rewatch to look at those points to see how conspicuous they are and whether they’re equally explained by just being an employee doing his job.
 
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