HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams

[JirinPanthosa]

I really liked that episode, feels like post-Park Westworld finally found its stride.

The scenes with Dolores and Caleb were amazing and the bit with Charlotte and the pedophile and her identity crisis.

Still no idea who Charlotte is. Somebody emotionally close to Dolores. Who is violent. Unless it’s former welcome girl.

 

[Mike Farley]

Spoiler: Charlotte's real ID

At first I thought it was Teddy, but now I'm leaning toward The Man in Black. The fact that "his" pearl was visibly different might be clue.

 

[DigificWriter]

Spoiler: Charlotte's real ID

At first I thought it was Teddy, but now I'm leaning toward The Man in Black.

William is not a Host.

Tonight's episode was the only real chance to reveal who was inhabiting the Charlotte body, and since it didn't happen, I don't think it's going to happen.

BTW, Charlotte's son's shares his name with that of a warship from The Expanse. I don't know whether or not this was an intentional Easter egg, but it's cool nonetheless.

 

[Aragorn]

BTW, Charlotte's son's shares his name with that of a warship from The Expanse. I don't know whether or not this was an intentional Easter egg, but it's cool nonetheless.

Nathan Hale was a spy for the Continental Army in the American Revolutionary War, who was captured and killed by the British. There are schools named after him, plus a submarine.

 

[Cyrus]

Seems like William/MiB will finally show up next week.

 

[DigificWriter]

Nathan Hale was a spy for the Continental Army in the American Revolutionary War, who was captured and killed by the British. There are schools named after him, plus a submarine.

To me, it's an Expanse reference, unintentional or otherwise.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Also Teddy is in the valley beyond. Unless Dolores transmitted a copy. But that would kind of reverse the impact of her change of heart in season two.

My other thought was Abernathy, except he's not violent. But he would explain the touch of southern accent that kicks in. And if he was going to be violent toward anyone it'd be someone attacking his child.

I think that the other exec that got replaced is Lawrence.

 

[Mudd]

To me, it's an Expanse reference, unintentional or otherwise.

Well, that's not what it is - not in any way, shape or form.

The producers can't take always anticipate the limits of historical awareness or understanding.

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[Mudd]

Whoever Charlotte Hale was as a Host in the park, she's becoming something different.

Delores has apparently tried something that hasn't been done previously, which is using the code of human beings whose profiles she scanned in the Forge 's library and embedding it in the Hosts whose control units she's putting into bodies designed for impersonation. HostHale seems to be struggling to control the original Hale, and failing.

 

[1987SpaceGuy]

I'm liking this season 3 very much so far in the "real world", still mysteries, but not as convoluted timeline wise so far.

I dig Caleb story arc.
For a second I wondered if he might "soften" Dolors plans a bit (without knowing so), by being kind of a decent human being..
Then I thought, nope, instead of AI Rebo-Whatever, it's Dolores that's gonna pull his strings only as long he is useful to her.

Was surprising to hear about ExHale ;P family. Hpe the new InHale isn't Teddy but rather someone else.

Overall the scenery (Valencia?, Singapore, LA and a lot of VFX) and vehicles are gorgeous, the music on point as ever too.
Tessa Thompson is a very talented actress (and very beautiful too)

 

[Skipper]

Ok, are we supposed to root for the genocidal killer robots? I'm a little confused.

 

[Mudd]

Ok, are we supposed to root for the genocidal killer robots? I'm a little confused.

I have, from the pilot onward. After all, I'm no misanthrope.

 

[gblews]

I came away from this episode thinking that Charlotte was Teddy. But I also got a Clementine (Maeve’s sidekick) vibe because of her personality, though I don’t remember her being close to Delores at the park.

Yes, good episode. Lots of reveals. Deloreses curiosity about why Caleb was willing to die rather than give her up was interesting. Is she, or any of the hosts, capable of feeling love for a human? Guess we’ll find out.

But now we have a reason to root for Delores because of what Incite has done, not only to the AI’s, but to humans outside the park.

Vincent Casales knows about Delores, but I wonder if he also knows about Charlotte. That would seem to be a major advantage for Charlotte if does not. I don’t think Maeve is aware of which hosts pearls Delores took with her.

I was worried that the show might not be as compelling outside of the parks, but it’s looking now like this season might be the best none yet.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Another fascinating episode. I'm particularly curious to see how the Dolores/Caleb relationship will develop. She sees a kindred soul in him but will that ultimately change her perspective on the human race? She clearly sees some, if not many, people being slaves to the societal hierarchy that she despises but will she condemn those same people with the one she hates? And what will Caleb think if and when he learns the truth about her (and not just that she's a Host)? He clearly has some sympathies for robots (he certainly seemed sad when his robot colleague was pushed off the construction site), so that could potentially extend to her as well.

I also found it curious how "Charlotte" didn't tell Dolores about Maeve while "Charlotte" was briefing Dolores about that the information she learned at Delos. An honest omission related to the identify issue was dealing with at the time or was it a deliberate omission on her part, possibly because of Charlotte's connection with Serac? Or because "Charlotte" is having trouble trusting Dolores?

I found it intriguing that the EMTs who picked up Dolores didn't really seem to have much medical experience and seemed to follow basic protocol until Caleb interjected to help Dolores (presumably because of his military experience). A certain commentary to that futuristic society, not unlike what Dolores pointed out about Caleb being caged.

Tonight's episode was the only real chance to reveal who was inhabiting the Charlotte body, and since it didn't happen, I don't think it's going to happen.

I'll be very surprised if we don't know who "Charlotte" really is. Just because we didn't get an answer right away in the first episode that focuses on her doesn't mean we aren't going to get an answer. I mean, have you watched this show before?

To me, it's an Expanse reference, unintentional or otherwise.

Um...yeah, it's definitely a reference to the spy. He's a very well-known historical figure.

Overall the scenery (Valencia?, Singapore, LA and a lot of VFX)

Yup, Delos headquarters are filmed at Valencia. It takes me out of the show just a little since I've been inside a couple of those buildings a few years ago (one of them houses a 360 IMAX theater!).

 

[Mudd]

They'll have plenty of chances to reveal Charlotte's "identity." It's nonsensical to think otherwise.

"Who's in which Host body" is literally a shell game - IMO it's made such an obvious mystery partly in hopes of distracting folks from wondering about other things too much. The real surprise twist, if there is one, probably won't be that.

 

[Xerxes82]

This season has been quite interesting so far. Feels like there is a lot going on, but in typical Westworld fashion, it is difficult to tell exactly how directly any of these things relate to each other. With the introduction of the concept of the "mirror world" within the Reheboam AI, can we even be sure that the Maeve portions of the story and the Dolores portions are happening in the same "reality?" That feels very much like something the creatives on this show would do.

On the subject of which host is playing Charlotte, my first thought, as it seems was most people's, was Teddy. But he exited through the door last year, if I remember rightly. Given what we've seen of the relationship with Dolores, my next thought was Peter Abernathy. But CharNot relates to a her role as a predator, and is quick to try and use sex to control a situation. Which makes my prime suspects Angela (who was one of Wyatt/Dolores' followers in the park) or Clementine. Both of which feel really obvious, and thus makes me think they're misdirection. And that's assuming the identity of the host matters at all in the context of the story. Need more info.

Am I the only one thinking Seracc (Serracc? Do we have an official spelling?) is a fiction? Created by Reheboam so it can act directly on human events? I just don't see a human having actual control over a system that is supposedly that powerful and that well informed. It wants the Delos files so that it can more perfectly map, and thus control, humanity. It has supplanted free will and become God.

Dolores is basically Lucifer, and having freed herself from Hell she is now confronted with the power of an angry, all seeing and possibly all powerful God in the AI whom she is determined to rebel against. Which means the real conflict here may be between one synthetic life form that wants to control all of the human race, and another that wants to destroy it. Humans are just pawns in the game between the machines. Or would that be getting to oddly abstract? I do feel like it gets to the heart of some of the themes, in terms of people allowing others to map out their lives for them, and the power of exercising true free will to determine your own fate.

And, this also being Westworld, I'm now almost certain that I'm radically overthinking things. It is a tricksy show that way.

 

[JD]

One theory for the host in Charlotte that sounds like a pretty good possibility to me based on comments here and Io9's recaps, is a copy of Young William. The idea is that Delores downloaded the data recorded from William's visits to the park and put that data in the pearl which then went in Charlotte.

On the subject of which host is playing Charlotte, my first thought, as it seems was most people's, was Teddy. But he exited through the door last year, if I remember rightly. Given what we've seen of the relationship with Dolores, my next thought was Peter Abernathy. But CharNot relates to a her role as a predator, and is quick to try and use sex to control a situation. Which makes my prime suspects Angela (who was one of Wyatt/Dolores' followers in the park) or Clementine. Both of which feel really obvious, and thus makes me think they're misdirection. And that's assuming the identity of the host matters at all in the context of the story. Need more info.

Aren't Clementine and Teddy both in the digital heaven?

 

[Mudd]

I don't think Delores was ever in a position to create a pearl/Host control unit, was she? That's pretty complicated IIRC.

I don't think it's HostHale who's the predator - its MeatHale's code taking her over.

 

[Xerxes82]

I don't think it's HostHale who's the predator - its MeatHale's code taking her over.

Very possible. Her dialogue during that bit definitely could be taken as letting more of the Hale personality through. I'm basing my thought more on Dolores' reflection that some of the identity confusion could be because whomever is driving Charlotte's duplicate is identifying with Hale too much. That sounds to me like Hale is breaking out by using things she has in common with the underlying host to subvert the personality. But that's wild speculation on my part.

 

[Mudd]

If you go to Delosdestinations.com, right in the middle of the page with the images and listings for their parks - Westworld, Shogunworld, Warworld - there is this: