HBO orders Joss Whedon ‘The Nevers’ to series

[kirk55555]

26 hours of the show, about 10 minutes of sex, all of it in context to the overall narrative or episode specifically. 0.6% of the runtime, all of it relevant. And the majority of it, the only primetime representation LGBTQ people have in nearly a century of programs.

Is that context enough?

So there is no such thing as representation without graphic sexual content? Is that what counts? So if Sense8 had been exactly the same, but edited around the graphic stuff, it would suddenly be a completely different show? In the end, I don't care. I don't care that it exists, or that it has explicit content. Good for it. Sense8 is not made for me, its basically the last thing a viewer like me would watch, and that's fine. People are acting like I care about the existence of the show one way or another, and I don't.

That said, if there is "only" 10 minutes of sex then I'm from mars. Nothing I've read agrees with that at all. Everything agrees that its a major part of the show.

 

[Spot261]

So if Sense8 had been exactly the same, but edited around the graphic stuff, it would suddenly be a completely different show?

Yes it would, it was utterly central to the themes being explored.

 

[kirk55555]

Yes it would, it was utterly central to the themes being explored.

There is no such thing as a show that needs genitals and nipples to explore its themes, unless its a medical video teaching people about those parts of the anatomy, same with showing sex stuff (except there is no medical reason to show sex acts). Even if it was a show about sex workers, it wouldn't need to show nudity or explicit sex to get a point across.

 

[Spot261]

There is no such thing as a show that needs genitals and nipples to explore its themes, unless its a medical video teaching people about those parts of the anatomy, same with showing sex stuff (except there is no medical reason to show sex acts). Even if it was a show about sex workers, it wouldn't need to show nudity or explicit sex to get a point across.

Again, you can believe that if you wish, all you are doing is showing how narrow your comprehension of the medium is

 

[kirk55555]

Again, you can believe that if you wish, all you are doing is showing how narrow your comprehension of the medium is

you're the one who has a narrow comprehension if you think the only way a show can make a point is with explicit content.

 

[Spot261]

you're the one who has a narrow comprehension if you think the only way a show can make a point is with explicit content.

There are many ways to make a TV show, but Sense8 wouldn't have worked the way it did without. I've tried at some length to explain that to you, but as people keep telling you, it would only make sense if you actually knew anything about the show at all.

Which you don't.

 

[kirk55555]

There are many ways to make a TV show, but Sense8 wouldn't have worked the way it did without. I've tried at some length to explain that to you, but as people keep telling you, it would only make sense if you actually knew anything about the show at all.

Which you don't.

I know all I need to know about it. I know the premise, and unless a huge amount of random people are all telling the same lies I have an idea of the content. That is all that was relevant to using it in the context that I did. I couldn't have known that people would mistake that for me having a problem with the non explicit parts.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Unfortunately, no one can be told what Sense8 is. You have to see it for yourself.

 

[Spot261]

Let me get this straight. You're not conjuring up fantasies about what the show might depict, but you're basing your judgement only on vague descriptions in some reviews?

Also, define 'significant amount'. Because I feel kind of inspired to re-watch the show to count the numbers of sex scenes.

I don't actually recall there being all that many to be honest

 

[kirk55555]

Unfortunately, no one can be told what Sense8 is. You have to see it for yourself.

Its a TV show, not some mystery of the universe.

 

[The Realist]

sex between consenting adults isn't by most people's standards "naughty"

It is if you're doing it right.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

The only argument you've made this entire thread that isn't absurd is the statement "I don't like show with nudity and sex in it". This is a valid statement of your own opinion.

Everything you've said about what constitutes porn, and that your opinion substitutes for a universal standard of what's good and bad, is poorly argued, not based on any reasonable interpretation of facts, completely subjective, and absurd.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but this person:

does not get to decide the standards for everyone else. She only gets to decide her own personal standards, and so do you.

If you don't like nudity, there's plenty of channels you can watch other than HBO, and that's your choice. But no, everyone else doesn't have to agree with you, and it is objectively in every possible way, NOT porn, any more than the David or Venus DeMilo are.

 

[Ethros]

I wondered how this thread had got to 7 pages, when all there really is to say is "Joss Whedon's doing a new TV show for HBO" and "it's called The Nevers"

Then I quickly saw who's been posting.

Ah.....

 

[Kemaiku]

Unfortunately, no one can be told what Sense8 is. You have to see it for yourself.

I see what you did there

 

[Jayson1]

Yeah, about as "lucky" as any network that happens to broadcast or stream one of the most groundbreaking and overall greatest TV one hour dramas of all time.

I agree with you in regards to how great the show was. When I say lucky it was in that it was something that caught on and became popular even though at the time their was very few shows that had that kind of edge to them. If the show hadn't become popular it doesn't mean the show still wouldn't be great. Only that the golden age of tv might not have sprung out of it's populairty. Thing is it wasn't even the first show that was like that with HBO. I would give credit to "The Larry Sanders Show" and "OZ" for being just as edgy and while they were popular they weren't seen as being what "Sopranos" was.

Jason

 

[Jayson1]

Damn! LOL, I've always been curious about True Blood but... maybe not anymore.

I liked the show. It's not really a serious drama though so don't expect that. It's basically a B-Movie type of experience. If you like things like "The Evil Dead" or "Machette" you might like it.

Jason

 

[JD]

I love True Blood, it is a bit crazy and over the top at times, but that's what I love about it.
As for the sex content, I don't think it's really any worse than Game of Thrones.
Kirk55555, I can understand not liking shows with sex and nudity, but you are taking things to a bit of an excessive extreme. While I do enjoy Game of Thrones, Westworld, True Blood, and other shows like that there are times where I'm just not in the mood for that kind of stuff. I'd say I'm at about 1% or .5% of where you are when it comes to this stuff.
I have to confess, part of the reason I took a break from GoT was because I got tired of what I felt was excessive sex and nudity. I've been starting to miss it though, so I am probably going to go back to it once I get through some of the other stuff I'm working on.
And I think most people probably wouldn't give you as much of a hard time if you just worded things more carefully. When you start using phrases like "weird" or "disturbing" sex people will usually go to the kind of stuff that will get you thrown in jail, the kind of stuff that I honestly don't think about, much less write about. This is especially true when discussing that deals with homosexuality, due to the attitudes that are still sadly common these days most people are going to assume that is what you are talking about, and that will upset people.

 

[Turtletrekker]

but you are taking things to a bit of an excessive extreme.

In other words, a day of the week that ends with a "y".

 

[JD]

True.

 

[mos6507]

Do they NEED explicit sex scenes? Probably not. Is it an inherent negative? Not at all. Something making you personally uncomfortable doesn't make it bad. Sure, HBO is aware that having more nudity and violence makes watching them seem rebellious to some of their viewers. But again, so what? Not everybody has to be as sex negative as you.

A rather judgmental term to use, but let's run with it.

There's another thread where someone started arguing heavily against having Deltans in the next season of Discovery because it was "just Gene's creepy sex fantasy". I would bet the same people are now busy talking down to others for being "sex negative" because they're criticizing a handling of sex in a show they personally like.

Sex in art/media is a polarizing topic. But it's not just pro/con sex. The devil's in the details. What's considered "sex positive" to one is seen as cheap, exploitive, or outright offensive to others. There is no one-size-fits-all.