They did movies about him. He just hadn't an interesting life.
And really, we even don't know what was his face.
News HBO draws ire after 'Confederate' announcement
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And really, we even don't know what was his face.
Somewhat loath to join the discussion as my knowledge of the American civil war is pretty limited. I can certainly understand the objections to this concept but if handled sensitively, it could be done very well. Like everything else, the execution is the crucial point.
I would like to think that The Handmaiden's Tale is a good example of how something like this could be handled; it also touches on divisive and controversial subjects which are not a million miles removed from reality but does so without sensationalism or exploitation.
However, while I'm a fan of alternate history and a fan of Game of Thrones, I am not sure that Benioff and Weiss are the ideal people for such a show. Their handling of issues like rape and slavery in GOT have been less than subtle or sensitive, to put it mildly. On the other hand, their involvement has piqued my interest. I'll keep an eye on production.
I would like to think that The Handmaiden's Tale is a good example of how something like this could be handled; it also touches on divisive and controversial subjects which are not a million miles removed from reality but does so without sensationalism or exploitation.
However, while I'm a fan of alternate history and a fan of Game of Thrones, I am not sure that Benioff and Weiss are the ideal people for such a show. Their handling of issues like rape and slavery in GOT have been less than subtle or sensitive, to put it mildly. On the other hand, their involvement has piqued my interest. I'll keep an eye on production.
Shh! You've stumbled onto my secret liberal conspiracy to show the Confederates for the monsters they were, by juxtaposing their high-minded, literary words with their vicious and villainous deeds - another great reason to do a Rome-like actual Civil War history series.
You don't think they could make an interesting movie about the Christopher Columbus who forced Native Americans to mine gold for him, and cut off their hands and made them wear it around their necks if they didn't mine enough?
I've never seen a representation of Christopher Columbus that was a historically accurate one and not the high school history textbook version of him. We have a national holiday for a slaver.
They even did a mini about his life were they talked about this. And it's barely remembered. Really, there isn't any successful movie about his life. It seems that people simply don't care.
Unfortunately, some still do. Thus the horseshit about the "war of Northern aggression" and "the South will rise again".
I visited a historical village in Southern Indiana and they have on display letters from people during this time period. The letter, actually referred to the Civil War as the second Revolutionary War.
A present-day Confederacy might have a chance of winning this time, given the military bases and hardware that it would have access to.Unfortunately, some still do. Thus the horseshit about the "war of Northern aggression" and "the South will rise again".
^ You could say the same thing about the other side.
Any supposed advantages that a "neo-Confederacy" might have access to, would probably be countered by the likelihood that the real United States government would squash them like dung beetles under a cement truck - due to the very same "advantages".
Any supposed advantages that a "neo-Confederacy" might have access to, would probably be countered by the likelihood that the real United States government would squash them like dung beetles under a cement truck - due to the very same "advantages".
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The Civil War didn't last four years without the Confederacy having "any chance of winning," which was simply securing their declared independence. Moreover, your comment has what to do with this proposed show, exactly?
I don't want to speak for him but it did bring up a idea is what if the show is going to focus on a modern civil war that never happened in this alternate universe or a second one to reverse the lost the North had to the South back in the 1860's. This show might not just be a drama but something filled with action and war as well.
Jason
Speaking as a filthy foreigner with no skin in the game, I think it's safe to say that that intensely hypothetical scenario could be simply boiled down to a question of who would be crazy/stupid enough to launch the nukes first.
If one were to restrict it to a non-nuclear ground/air conflict: the South seems much more exposed along the coast and no easy access to the pacific makes any attempt to disrupt shipping lines pretty one-sided. If I had to guess, I'd say Texas is liable to say "bugger the lot of you" and go off on their own, which would complicate things for both sides.
So, like any war where no side has an instant, overwhelming advantage, it'll be about who's citizens are liable to starve to death first and who is willing to come to the negotiating table first.
The CSA started off at a disadvantage, the North had the numbers and the industrial base. The circumstances are very different now, obviously. Also MAD doctrine would likely prevent the use of nuclear weapons.
And when I say "winning", I mean the CSA winning their right to exist alongside the USA, not to conquer it.
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The given descriptions specifically mention slave characters, so unless you're seriously arguing that a new Confederacy would immediately reinstate slavery as an institution, then I think you have to assume we're not looking at an alternate present, but an alternate history that goes back to the original civil war. The possibility of a second (or third or fourth) war between CSA and USA is plausible (and has often featured in other alt history takes on the subject), though I wonder based on the descriptions so far if they really want to make a clash of armies style show rather than focusing on the drama of daily life.
I was thinking slavery was still going to be a thing. I would think it would be the north that would sort of rise up and lead the fight or maybe a new kind of war and make it terrorism as the new way of fighting for freedom which I know would be very controversial.
Also I can see them going either way as a drama or more action since they did work on "Game of Thrones." Not to mention people might not like the idea of when the show ends, slavery is still going on and their doesn't seem much hope for a better future.
Jason
I'm glad I torrent Game of Thrones. The thought of my money going to support pro-Confederacy, "Lost Cause" BS makes me angry. I personally don't understand how ANY African American would want to be part of this. As for Dan and Dave, season 5 and 6 of GoT prove that without GRM they produce boring garbage.
Pro confederacy? Care to back that up with a link?
Yeah, I don't see anything about this show being pro-confederacy. All we know is that it takes place in an alternate universe in which the South won the Civil War. This universe could be a dystopian nightmare or a utopia depending upon the vision of the writers. Or, alternatively, the south could be a dystopian nightmare and the rest of the world a paradise because the southerners stayed out of world affairs.
I haven't watched The Man in the High Castle, but I never assumed it was pro-Nazi because it took place in a universe in which the Nazis won. Let's wait until we find out more information.
I haven't watched The Man in the High Castle, but I never assumed it was pro-Nazi because it took place in a universe in which the Nazis won. Let's wait until we find out more information.
Did you read any of the linked articles?!?
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