Haynes Enterprise Manual? ... Part Two...
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That suits me just fine. Since the TOS Enterprise is the only one I care about anyway.
I think they're going to have a hard time doing a schematic on the Abramsprise simply because there is so much that just won't fit. Budgineering looks like it takes up the entire secondary hull. The iBridge deck has so many rooms and corridors, it could take up an entire deck on the saucer. Etc, etc. I would like to see how they resolve those issues, though.
Rick Sternbach said similar on Trekmovie.com "I'm glad I didn't have to do it" were his words IIRC 
I really don't see the problem. They supersized the ship especially to fit everything in.
I'd love to see floorplans of the San Fernando Valley brewery and superimpose them on a scaled diagram of the 725m Enterprise to see if/how it all fits. When watching the movie I noticed that "water turbine section 3" is the upper catwalks over the area directly behind the hanger bay, and I think those huge vats are what the intermix chambers shoot out of at the end.
Seeing pics of the brewery itself, without the CG extensions, I was suprised how small and cozy it seemed.
Same for the bridge deck - I'd love to see plans of the set and see if those corridors and the transporter room behind fit.
If anyone can find me plans of the STXI sets, and/or the San Fernando brewery I'd love to give it a go in photoshop!
I really don't see the problem. They supersized the ship especially to fit everything in.
I'd love to see floorplans of the San Fernando Valley brewery and superimpose them on a scaled diagram of the 725m Enterprise to see if/how it all fits. When watching the movie I noticed that "water turbine section 3" is the upper catwalks over the area directly behind the hanger bay, and I think those huge vats are what the intermix chambers shoot out of at the end.
Seeing pics of the brewery itself, without the CG extensions, I was suprised how small and cozy it seemed.
Same for the bridge deck - I'd love to see plans of the set and see if those corridors and the transporter room behind fit.
If anyone can find me plans of the STXI sets, and/or the San Fernando brewery I'd love to give it a go in photoshop!
Here's a nugget.
Well, seems a pic of their take on the shuttlecraft is online ...and I've been studying it. http://trekmovie.com/2010/05/20/new-illustrations-from-haynes-guide-to-the-uss-enterprise/
Looking closely at this three things leap out at me. First looking at the side panels of the upper hull they're bent just like the old AMT model kit. Sorry, but this is a huge inconsistency with what we saw onscreen. And it doesn't gel with the construction drawings.
Secondly, there is no aft cabin.
The main cabin fills the entire interior. This is certainly not the shuttlecraft we saw onscreen.
Thirdly, the chairs don't have the right bases. They're the bases of the AMT kit.
I'm still curious to look this thing over, but at the risk of sounding self-important these guys have little to show me in regards to the TOS shuttlecraft. I think I figured it out better than they did. The only thing they did similar to me was give the craft a double hull.
Well, seems a pic of their take on the shuttlecraft is online ...and I've been studying it. http://trekmovie.com/2010/05/20/new-illustrations-from-haynes-guide-to-the-uss-enterprise/
Looking closely at this three things leap out at me. First looking at the side panels of the upper hull they're bent just like the old AMT model kit. Sorry, but this is a huge inconsistency with what we saw onscreen. And it doesn't gel with the construction drawings.
Secondly, there is no aft cabin.
The main cabin fills the entire interior. This is certainly not the shuttlecraft we saw onscreen.Thirdly, the chairs don't have the right bases. They're the bases of the AMT kit.
I'm still curious to look this thing over, but at the risk of sounding self-important these guys have little to show me in regards to the TOS shuttlecraft. I think I figured it out better than they did. The only thing they did similar to me was give the craft a double hull.
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I also noticed the lack of an aft cabin, but put it down to the fact that they were using the 21' live-action prop as their starting point. With that in mind, there's really only room for a miniscule aft section. With the addition of a double hull there's even less extra room, so perhaps they just eliminated it entirely in order to fit a larger (more "realistic") engine?
But I agree with you entirely on one thing - this is not the shuttlecraft we saw on the show
But I agree with you entirely on one thing - this is not the shuttlecraft we saw on the show
Who do we contact on matters like this?
The thing is probably all ready to print. I doubt any changes could be done at this point. And it had to have been in the works for awhile.
Seriously, though, that is really sloppy work for something that initially looks somewhat authoritative. All the resources at hand and we get this?
It emphasizes my earlier point that there's devoted fan work that leaves stuff like this in the dust. That said I'm curious as hell to see what they've done with the E.
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Prepare to be disapointed though, but who knows, they might yet pull something interesting out of their A.S.S. (Aft Sensor Suite)
I wonder if the JJ prise will get some tweaks to it by the time the sequel comes out?
Fans may lack resources, but they do have the time (and lack of deadlines) to devote to their projects. They also share a common trait amongst them: obsessive attention to detail.
Add to that no monetary compensation.
Oh my yes. I couldn't agree more. If it wasn't for my OCD my own project would have been completed and put to bed two years ago. It is almost done but I just can't seem to leave it alone though. And if I had gotten paid for all the countless and countless hours that I have put into it, I could have bought a new car or something.
And I would love to get a hold of the manual just to see what they did with the NX-01. I can't help but be curious.
^ I think I'm going to have to agree with you on this Warped9. I'm still getting the book though.
I'm most interested in seeing the Enterprise-E...sucks that the JJ Prise isn't being included for whatever reason. Perhaps if this edition is successful and people buy it there will be a second edition with it along with Deep Space Nine, The Defiant, and Voyager.
Easy to say now. Go back to 1971 and work with what he had, and do all those mechanical drawings by hand and then get back to me about how bad FJ's work was.
The Haynes manual, though, has no excuse. Unfortunately I have to chalk a lot of this to Okuda's involvement, since he seems to have a fetish for redoing TOS at every level.
That only happens for items without a release date yet. If there's a release date, they'll happily sit on it for a year or more.
I'm guessing that Rick Sternbach was approached but turned them down? Or was there even interest in contributing to the book? Are all of these going to be in black and white? I believe I read that there would be color illustrations as well...
This is probably a minority opinion, however: I appreciate a lot of what the Okudas and Sternbachs and others have done to clarify a lot of TOS inconsistencies and oddities and tie them in better to the tech stuff we saw in the latterday incarnations of Trek.
I don't see Mike omitting that aft compartment, especially considering how prominently it was featured in "The Galileo Seven".
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