Have you read the new Gross & Altman book?

[CrazyMatt]

Anyone here reading "The Fifty Year Mission" by Edward Gross and Mark Altman? It's actually the first of two parts, covering TOS, the abortive Phase II, and ST:TMP through The Undiscovered Country. The second edition, which focuses on TNG and beyond, will be out later this year.

It's not chock full of new information, but there is enough to keep my interest. One highlight: a letter GR sent to Shatner and Nimoy (also to De Kelley, although more as a formality) in the middle of the second production season, excoriating both of them for their selfish behavior... going so far as to claim their bad attitudes were part of the reason for Gene Coon leaving.

That's the only psudo-spoiler you'll get from me. But I do recommend this book.

 

[feek61]

I ordered it yesterday; glad to hear that it may keep my attention.

 

[ST-321]

I'm about 140 pages into it now & am enjoying it.

 

[Harvey]

I've read some of it. It's a breezy read, for the most part, but I have some issues with it that I've posted elsewhere.

Cushman is quoted -- at length -- more than a dozen times in the book. He repeats a lot of things that are factually incorrect from These Are The Voyages, and even comes up with some new things that he's wrong about. The authors obviously didn't fact check any of his statements (I have brought up a number of inaccuracies to the authors on Facebook and Twitter and only received a non-answer on the subject from Ed Gross).

My larger problem with the book is that it offers no insight as to when each person's comments were made. Comments from David Gerrold about his re-writing of "I, Mudd," for example, contradict comments Gerrold made in his book about the making of "The Trouble with Tribbles." Presumably, that's due to the ravages of time, but there is no way to be certain, since the book doesn't indicate when his comments were made.

 

[Phaser Two]

I've read some of it. It's a breezy read, for the most part, but I have some issues with it that I've posted elsewhere.

Where?

 

[Harvey]

Where?

Facebook, Twitter, and a bit here (which I've quoted).

 

[Phaser Two]

Ah, okay. I read your blog regularly and hadn't seen anything there.

 

[feek61]

I sure wish YOU would write a book Harvey!!! There is no one I trust more than you to get the details correct.

 

[David Strickhouser]

Anyone here reading "The Fifty Year Mission" by Edward Gross and Mark Altman? It's actually the first of two parts, covering TOS, the abortive Phase II, and ST:TMP through The Undiscovered Country. The second edition, which focuses on TNG and beyond, will be out later this year.

It's not chock full of new information, but there is enough to keep my interest. One highlight: a letter GR sent to Shatner and Nimoy (also to De Kelley, although more as a formality) in the middle of the second production season, excoriating both of them for their selfish behavior... going so far as to claim their bad attitudes were part of the reason for Gene Coon leaving.

That's the only psudo-spoiler you'll get from me. But I do recommend this book.

Yes, that "letter" was worth the purchase price for me!
We'd heard about that infamous "memo" for years, but to see it excerpted, ... terrific!

 

[ST-321]

Yeah, that was some letter. I just finished the book and enjoyed it very much. There's a lot on various projects, story ideas and casting that never came about that I hadn't heard before. I'm really glad that the proposed guest star for Trek IV never came about.

 

[Warped9]

I've just ordered this book along with Star Trek: The Official Guide To Our Universe.

 

[David Strickhouser]

Yeah, that was some letter. I just finished the book and enjoyed it very much. There's a lot on various projects, story ideas and casting that never came about that I hadn't heard before. I'm really glad that the proposed guest star for Trek IV never came about.

Amen to that! It'd been SUPERMAN III all over again. Star/stunt casting forsaking story.

 

[David Strickhouser]

Finished the book. Still recommend it.
Was unaware of Walter Koenig (Chekov)'s anger during the filming of ST VI. Very curious.
Found out more tidbits concerning Harve Bennett's "Academy Years" storyline.

 

[Warped9]

My copy should arrive tomorrow. Looking forward to it.

 

[Warped9]

I actually got my copy this afternoon. I'm 107 pages in and finding this is a much easier read than the TMP book. This book seems better structured and easier to follow where I find the TMP book a slog at times with the content scattered all over the place with little relevance from one entry to the next.

 

[Warped9]

There is a candor to this book that is unlike anything I've seen before when looking behind the scenes of TOS.

We're also reminded that Harlan Ellison and David Gerrold can't ket go of the past. And they're both jerks each in their own way. Ellison really strikes me as an egotistical asshole. And Gerrold is a bitter little pissant because TOS wasn't made in his vision after his luck with "The Trouble With Tribbles."

 

[Esteban]

Read my Kindle version and I must say it started off slow with the authors gushing but then got better. Then a lot better. "The Letter" that GR sent to the principals was worth the $15 alone. Was he loaded when he dictated it? Does it matter? It's a Star Trek script in itself.

But I have a question about the timing. They say the letter is dated August 17, Thursday. That would put it on the 5th day of production of I, Mudd. Assuming it was received on Monday, read, and wept over, there still lay ahead Tribbles, the Labor Day break, and Bread and Circuses.

In the letter, Gene R clearly says Gene Coon is ill and leaving the show. That contradicts much of what we've read about Bread and Circuses being a bone of contention, about Gene R being away and involved another projects only to be "surprised" by the comedic direction the series was taking with Tribbles, and so forth.

Harvey, sure would love a fact check on this. Waves and waves of time displacement.....

PS: I skipped most of the stuff about the conventions, etc. I did greatly enjoy the parts about the first 6 movies, though. Although much of the ground on TMP has been well covered, I for one learned a great deal about the Harve Bennett years.

Even some of the commentary by Berman Years creatives was fairly interesting. Not fascinating, but interesting.

 

[Warped9]

There is a definite shift in GR from TOS to TMP. In TMP he couldn't accept much input and viewpoint from others anymore. I think GR and Harold Livingston as well as Paramount's indecisiveness each contributed to TMP's shortcomings.

 

[Harvey]

But I have a question about the timing. They say the letter is dated August 17, Thursday. That would put it on the 5th day of production of I, Mudd. Assuming it was received on Monday, read, and wept over, there still lay ahead Tribbles, the Labor Day break, and Bread and Circuses.

In the letter, Gene R clearly says Gene Coon is ill and leaving the show. That contradicts much of what we've read about Bread and Circuses being a bone of contention, about Gene R being away and involved another projects only to be "surprised" by the comedic direction the series was taking with Tribbles, and so forth.

August 17, 1967 was the 4th day of shooting on "I, Mudd," actually. The episode shot August 14-18 & 21. These Are The Voyages suggest differently, but it's very wrong about the filming dates during "I, Mudd" and "The Trouble with Tribbles."

Speaking of everyone's favorite Star Trek "historian," Cushman suggests in the Altman/Gross book that Roddenberry stepped away from the series for four weeks to write a Robin Hood pilot. Presumably, he's lifted this detail about the pilot from David Alexander's biography of Roddenberry, although as far as I know he's invented the four week figure to fit his narrative. He's also completely missed that Alexander strongly implies this script was written at night, rather than during any extended sabbatical from the series:

Gene was fortunate enough that he had tremendous energy and only needed five or six hours of sleep a night, giving him additional time to write. During the middle of 1967, Gene wrote Robin Hood script, dated August 25, 1967. --Star Trek Creator, Page 287

(Roddenberry's letter quoted at length, though not completely, in the Altman/Gross book surely doesn't suggest someone who was taking a break from the series).

John Meredyth Lucas' deal memo was dated August 30, 1967. I suspect that Gene Coon left the building a week later, contributing memos and re-writes from afar, but no longer being present in the office nor actually producing the series in any meaningful sense.

 

[Esteban]

Makes sense, Harvey...after I posted I went back and re-read some things. One interesting tidbit was that tale about John Meredyth Lucas being shown around on his first day out at Bronson Canyon on the shoot for B&C, where Shatner sees Roddenberry and turns around and walks away...that everyone was mad at each other, etc. I guess The Letter either hadn't cooled down yet or, just perhaps, it was sent later than it was dated.

That letter fascinates me. One, that it took 49 years to actually resurface, even though we knew of its existence in Gerrold's "World", and two that even now we only get excerpts. I wonder why, and who was Gross and Altman's source.